tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-71633636142551075942024-03-13T18:55:52.075-07:00Genealogical InquiryA place to describe my genealogical research and flesh out ideas while also providing a possible resource for others who might be researching the same families.Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-49791239520265971602024-03-13T18:53:00.000-07:002024-03-13T18:55:19.801-07:00Walter Family Brick Wall: Gone!<div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><span style="color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I have finally broken through the brick wall of where my ancestor Simon Walter is from/who his parents are. </span></span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">To find an immigrant ancestor from Germany you've got to find a record telling you what town they were from -- Germany has states and there are no central repositories for vital records. Most of the time, records are still kept at the individual parish level only - so you really need to know exactly what town the ancestor was from. </span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Oftentimes, the only place in the U.S. that you'll find a birthplace listed for German immigrants before ~1907 is in church records (this being that before that time period, U.S. naturalization records did not tend to ask for, or document, exact birth places in the immigrant's home country). Civil records are often recorded by Anglo, English-speaking persons who both would not care where in Germany the immigrant was born nor would they understand/be able to spell it. But German immigrants would often belong to churches who had priests that also spoke German-- and it was these priests that were most likely to record this precious information for descendants to find.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Back around 2010-2011 I'd found out where Simon was buried in Wisconsin, and the cemetery adjoined a church. The church very graciously allowed me access to the records (literally, put me in their basement and allowed me to spend </span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a style="color: #385898; cursor: pointer;" tabindex="-1"></a></span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">the whole day looking at them/taking photos of the books) and aha! His funeral record at the church stated a birthplace in Germany... "Neubeuren bf. Wiesenfeld." Awesome! A birthplace! I figured I was all set.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjkcKFdh8YC0GWl5E1zHxfjBxkfF4Us27o5SGkoXQhvd_bdrcw3-kumJ3alXQjcGmHeS6AiEWtfztmUSjc-nW6L-lpsNxXl0R5UQEmOujUOor04JLctbeI-NFzTa_vIXWN1QcAOpPMg92K4CHxGBKKL0EJleDaYS6Rw4vHDg5q_kTnigxQSZ1iYDAeMwWM" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="726" data-original-width="2037" height="114" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjkcKFdh8YC0GWl5E1zHxfjBxkfF4Us27o5SGkoXQhvd_bdrcw3-kumJ3alXQjcGmHeS6AiEWtfztmUSjc-nW6L-lpsNxXl0R5UQEmOujUOor04JLctbeI-NFzTa_vIXWN1QcAOpPMg92K4CHxGBKKL0EJleDaYS6Rw4vHDg5q_kTnigxQSZ1iYDAeMwWM" width="320" /></a></div></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Not so fast. I discovered after that, that there are quite a few towns with names similar to Neubeuren and similar to Wiesenfeld. The second problem was that there was no area in Germany where there are towns so named that are next to each other. This resulted in many emails and letters written to archivs across Germany in areas where</span><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> towns similarly named existed.. and many disappointing responses (if I ever did get a response) telling me that they did not have a record of Simon, or that they did not have the ability to search records for me.</span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;">So, I was stuck. Census records did nothing to help, either. The 1860 census said he was born in Hanover, the 1870 census said "Prussia" and the 1880s census said Bavaria. His Declaration of Intent from 1847 stated he was from Bavaria as well. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"> </span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left;"><div style="color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">Over the years I had occasionally looked at DNA matches (for my grandpa whose direct line this is, as well as other cousins on the Walter(s) side who had shared their results with me. I had seen a Johann Walter in the trees of one or two matches, and he lived in Illinois. I </span><span style="font-family: helvetica;">had also gotten tripped up on a Christiana Walter who married a Dittmar and belonged to a parish just up the road from Simon Walters' parish. We even had a DNA match or two to descendants of that couple so it seemed somewhat promising. That Christiana Walter had come from an area known as Schlesien. It's a large area that is now parts of several different countries including Poland, and I'd never made enough progress in identifying where she was from, much less if there was a real connection between her and Simon.</span></span></div><div style="color: #050505; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">In January of this year I decided to take another look at the DNA results to see if there were any new matches in common that might point to a connection. I found more matches who descended from the Johann Walter from Illinois. This Johann was born in 1807 in Bavaria and ha moved to the area around Waterloo, Monroe County, Illinois. His gravestone was excellent in that it provided exact birth and death dates (</span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/54573678/). </span></span><span style="color: #050505; font-family: helvetica; white-space-collapse: preserve;">He's only 3 years older than my Simon, and based on the DNA amounts shared with these matches, I became convinced that this Johann could be a brother of my Simon. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;">I couldn't find much about this Johann Walter so I contacted a couple of local places and one lady wrote back who just so happened to have an old photocopy of church records for the Lutheran church in town and his funeral record mentioned his birth in a town called Wiesentfels, Oberfranken, Bavaria --- very similar to the "Wiesenfeld" from Simon's funeral record. This seemed like a good sign!</span></div><div style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEj6dQ41hO8cCQhrjz4KYls6WXggJir2nibo7IG9LaWc3wS7KU-pSeZ_WFH_yA5HxRTOpUg0Bix3ewIufdHcvLyB6sSyhoPkU38LkqHgmw6L1GgDWIj7R54aQJjIgObFy6aOdOOVR5H-wDMrNbT2rt6OIkmvsDb1ps3BxHFcKDvEFVRTz8vqMcW1kt9QIbY" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="276" data-original-width="3051" height="29" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEj6dQ41hO8cCQhrjz4KYls6WXggJir2nibo7IG9LaWc3wS7KU-pSeZ_WFH_yA5HxRTOpUg0Bix3ewIufdHcvLyB6sSyhoPkU38LkqHgmw6L1GgDWIj7R54aQJjIgObFy6aOdOOVR5H-wDMrNbT2rt6OIkmvsDb1ps3BxHFcKDvEFVRTz8vqMcW1kt9QIbY" width="320" /></a></div></span></div><div style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;">I then turned to a Bavarian Genealogy Facebook group whose main membership is actually German and German-speaking folks, to try to get more information about Wiesentfels and whether records were available anywhere that I could access. Unfortunately, this is one of those parishes (Kroegelstein parish, to be exact) where records are kept at the church rather than being available online or at a larger archiv.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">On my post, a man who lives nearby volunteered to help me and was willing to go to the parish to look at the records. He had a chance to go to look at the parish records today (yesterday for him), and he found them! Simon, and the Johann Walter in Illinois, are indeed</span><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> from Wiesentfels, Oberfranken, Bavaria and they are brothers. Their parents are Andreas Walter and Anna Schmeusser.</span></span></div><div style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjQqMMiINV7esWM39HmiPjKnWaG7OKQbq0Fc2XtgIDqM8RvuSEtZnXTS7XDOpCa4VakukE7xfibfBaY0jxu6tvUNVHginrB9vXXvi4xG-aY0bk6fFPpiIQEpepIqWnjcgif6GwuKlSi_vo2bTXyNIkIE1LAOwgg6erD0NdUqUcqFZXHSLi-YQy73pqaSI0" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="912" data-original-width="2192" height="133" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjQqMMiINV7esWM39HmiPjKnWaG7OKQbq0Fc2XtgIDqM8RvuSEtZnXTS7XDOpCa4VakukE7xfibfBaY0jxu6tvUNVHginrB9vXXvi4xG-aY0bk6fFPpiIQEpepIqWnjcgif6GwuKlSi_vo2bTXyNIkIE1LAOwgg6erD0NdUqUcqFZXHSLi-YQy73pqaSI0" width="320" /></a></div><br /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a" style="color: #050505; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: helvetica;">The man sent me records of siblings of Johann and Andreas, as well as the marriage record for their parents -- both Andreas and Anna have fathers named Johann. I need to dig in now to see if I can find evidence of any of the siblings coming to the U.S. I also need to hope that some day the Kroegelstein parish records will be digitized and put online so that I can try to trace this line back further. For now, it's at a standstill until I can access more of the records. So- some questions still remain:</span><span style="font-family: helvetica;"> </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: helvetica;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">1) When I saw the name Andreas Walter that pinged something in my brain. I looked at the records from Simon's church in Wisconsin and was reminded that I'd found an Andreas Walter fathering two children (one in 1852 and one in 1854) who were baptized at the same church, with a godfather named Johann Walter. When I'd found those records initially I had not been able to find anything for this Andreas, Johann or the children. This Andreas is almost certainly not Simon's father Andreas, because he'd likely be at least 70 or so in 1852. He would be the right age to possibly be a sibling of Simon, but he's not among the records the man found for me today (though I do not know the date range he searched). So, something to look into further.</span><span style="background-color: white;">
</span><div class="separator" style="background-color: white; clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEisAXj0UimE2zH50XCBZsmydXt77G605BOE28GtZW9jJI0i2OuV7nSuMdKUUpYqATilUEdQ0zXElYm5LA4a8KN3vBevIfhS3KujFlSsLOkkBADn-BF3I1ucUNufy4CoY5Rh-6cDH-ve9e3phOktET3XTaqkgYVQeDZ2kSlYMIu0ZCm8qt5fOuEj8QCP2Gk" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="954" data-original-width="2925" height="104" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEisAXj0UimE2zH50XCBZsmydXt77G605BOE28GtZW9jJI0i2OuV7nSuMdKUUpYqATilUEdQ0zXElYm5LA4a8KN3vBevIfhS3KujFlSsLOkkBADn-BF3I1ucUNufy4CoY5Rh-6cDH-ve9e3phOktET3XTaqkgYVQeDZ2kSlYMIu0ZCm8qt5fOuEj8QCP2Gk" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="background-color: white; clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">2) Something has always made me think that Simon might've been married before he was married to my ancestor Maria Magdalena Kaemmlein. When they married in 1852, Simon was already 42 years old. The other thing that has always puzzled me was that they were married literally two weeks after Maria Magdalena Kaemmlein had immigrated to the U.S. (her passenger list is dated 11 May 1852 and she was married in Milwaukee on 27 May 1852). How?? I now know that Maria Magdalena and Simon were not from the same area (she was from just north of Stuttgart in Baden-Wuerttemburg) -- so how did it happen that she arrived and was married so quickly, unless they'd met in Germany prior? Simon immigrated in June 1847 according to his naturalization papers. So had he gone somewhere in Germany prior to immigrating to the U.S., and somehow met her/someone in her family then? Was it just chance that they met and married as soon as she arrived? Had he been married in Germany and left when something happened to that wife and any children he might have had with her? Or was he simply unmarried, setting off to the U.S. and marrying older?</span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: helvetica;">Of course, there are many other questions as well -- but those are for another day.</span></div></div>jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-56509204264615587892022-01-05T03:13:00.005-08:002022-01-05T03:16:34.637-08:00Are you doing everything you can to preserve your family history? [Preface]<br />The idea for this post has been rattling around in my head since April of (2017). Truly, the inspiration stems from the events of December of 2015, when my maternal grandfather died unexpectedly. Those events started a cascade of hectic life in which I've not been able to finish several projects- some of which I'm attempting to get taken care of now. When he passed away, I realized I had made a mistake in my approach to documenting and preserving my family history. I had spent a lot of my time talking to my grandparents about what they knew about their family history, as well as listening to stories of their own lives. I hadn't been able to write down everything, but in the years since I started my research, I tried to record as much as I could. But what I suddenly realized when my grandpa passed away, was that I had never recorded audio or video of him talking and telling his story. Right now, his voice is mostly a memory. And in today's technologically advanced world, I am kicking myself for not realizing this while he was still alive.<br />
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Anyway, as soon as I did realize this, when he passed away, I realized I needed to do more to record my other grandparents. I grew up with my Grandma Mayville telling me lots of stories about her family. I'd listened to many of the stories over the years. I'd written some of them down, and memorized others, but I realized I needed to record her telling her stories. Grandma Mayville died unexpectedly in April 2017, which was a major blow to me and my family. While I am very sad that I don't have any recordings of my Grandpa Mayville telling stories, I am grateful that his loss caused me to record my grandmother. I now have over 100 recordings of her, and have worked to also record my paternal grandparents.<div><br /></div><div>That leads to my post today. What are some of the key things that we can be doing to preserve as much of our family story, especially from the oldest generations of our families, while these is still time? In a world still ravaged by a pandemic and increasing natural disasters (tornadoes, wildfires, floods, etc.), we are receiving more reminders daily about how fleeting life (and family photos/heirlooms) can be. This post may be long, but its contents are important. </div><div><br /></div><div>You should start working with the oldest generation of your family, then work towards the present generation in terms of documenting memories, photos and other aspects mentioned below. If you ARE part of the oldest generation of your family, it's even more important that you start documenting your knowledge and memories. You likely have knowledge and information that will die with you if not documented, preserved, and shared.<br /><br /><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />
What can we do to preserve our family history?</span></u></b><br />
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1) Label & Scan Family Photos</b></div><div><span> Can it be time-consuming, tedious, and a hassle to label and scan all of those photos? Absolutely. </span>My grandmother had, almost certainly, over a thousand photos of her side of the family. How many of those photos were labeled when I came across the boxes of photos? Probably a few dozen at best. Getting these labeled was IMPERATIVE, because in many cases, she was likely the only person who could identify some of the folks in some of the family photos she had. I sat with her for hours to identify and label the photos. I then scanned them into the computer, and uploaded a majority of them online, where I further created a <a href="http://strawberriezy.com/jadesgenes/index.html" target="_blank">website</a> displaying many of the photos. This helps me preserve the photos, while also making it easy to share them when I meet a new cousin. </div><div><br /></div><div>You should even dedicate time to scanning and preserving photos for whom the identities or subjects are unknown. Why? When you meet new cousins you can share those photos and see if those cousins can identify the subjects of your unknown photos. I do this all the time with new cousins I meet via DNA testing- I send them a link to my family photos website and ask them to take a look at the unidentified photos in particular. Every once in a while, I find a cousin who knows a subject or location in one of my family's photos! Once, I was able to help in reverse-- a man contacted me who was related to the ex wife of my grandma's uncle. Because I had a similar photo with people labeled in it, he saw it in my family photos and was able to identify a photo he had in HIS possession, which contained people unknown to him. It turns out he had a photo of my own grandmother!</div><div><br /></div><div><u>Why is it important to label photos?</u> I cannot tell you how many times I have been to an estate sale or antique store and seen a pile of unlabeled photos. When you die and leave unlabeled photos, there is a tendency for family to throw out, sell, or otherwise get rid of photos when they don't recognize who is in them. If you label photos and they still end up leaving the family somehow, the identification you put on the back can help rescuers return photos to other family members.</div><div><br /></div><div><u>Why is it important to scan/preserve copies of photos?</u> This is important in the event that something were to happen to the original copies- fire, flood, being lost or otherwise damaged. Having digital copies allows you to preserve the photos no matter what might happen to the originals. It also makes it much easier to share your photos with other family members, etc., especially those of whom you might meet in the course of conducting genealogical research and/or DNA testing.</div><div><br /></div><div> <u><i>How do I do it?</i></u><br />
<span> -Set aside time specifically for the project. Pick a couple of hours per day, assigning whatever time frame you need to make sure it gets done.</span></div><div><span> -To label photos, write on the back with a pencil or other photo-safe marking pen (see universityproducts.com). Alternatively, you could purchase acid-free plastic sleeves and label the sleeves rather than directly writing on the back of the photos.</span></div><div><span> -When labeling, try to clearly indicate who is in the photo, and if possible to accurately do so, indicate the approximate year and location the photo was taken. Don't forget to label photos of yourself, other immediate family members, etc. The common error in the history of our families is to think "well, I know who that is so I don't need to write it down!" Future generations might not know, so label it and save a headache down the road.</span></div><div><span> -When scanning photos, use a high resolution scan to catch as much detail as possible. A standard flatbed scanner or printer/scanner option should work fine. For small photos, I love my FlipPal because it catches the small photos in extremely high detail, allowing me to preserve details most other scanners can not. FlipPal has gone out of business, but the machines occasionally sell on eBay and other marketing platforms. I do NOT trust or recommend "scanning" apps or features on smartphones, but if it is the absolute only option you have, it is better than nothing. </span></div><div><span><span> -When scanning, you want to scan both the front and back of each image in order to preserve any information (and your labeling) whenever possible. If possible, you should also rename the image file name to include identifying details such as who/what is in the photo. Do NOT include spaces in the file name.</span><br /></span></div><div><span> -See further down the page for more detailed advice on preserving/storing scanned images.</span><br /><br /><br /><b>
2) Label & photograph family heirlooms or artifacts</b><br />
<br /></div><div><u>Why is it important to label and photo-document family heirlooms/artifacts?</u> Much like above with photographs, labeling heirlooms, artifacts, family furniture pieces, etc. helps those left behind understand that it's an important piece of family history, and helps them understand why. Too many estate sales and antique malls are full of objects and heirlooms whose importance and familial context was unknown to heirs. For example, we have a small wooden chair that was my grandfather's when he was young. We have photos of him in this chair as a baby (and it may have even been in the family generations before him). We would have never known what this chair was when we found it in the basement, had he not provided that information and context to us!</div><div><br /></div><div><i><u>How do I do it?</u></i></div><div> -Set aside time specifically for the project. Pick a couple of hours per day, or whatever time frame you need to make sure it gets done.</div><div><span> -Label the item in regards to what it is; who it belonged to/where it came from; time period IF KNOWN; and any other details that might help preserve the history of the item.</span><br /></div><div><span><span> </span>-Generally, it is a good idea to create a spreadsheet of all items and keep in a safe place (see below for more details on preserving/saving data such as this). Your spreadsheet should include at least one photo of the item, and a description of the item.</span></div><div><span> -What you use to label objects/furniture/etc. depends greatly on what the heirloom/object in question is. If it is a framed portrait or piece of art, consider writing identifying info on a piece of (acid free) paper and incorporating that into the back of the frame if possible. If it's a piece of jewelry, card, coin, or other small memorabilia, you can use an acid-free baggie or sleeve, including both the object and a piece of (acid free) paper in the bag. For bigger items you may need to rely solely on the spreadsheet discussed above, or if the piece has an enclosed space (such as a drawer, lid, etc.) insert an acid free piece of paper with identifying information, into that enclosed space. One example, we have a vase that my grandmother's aunt left a piece of paper inside of, describing the item, who it belonged to (her own grandmother), where it came from, and who was to get the piece after she passed away.</span></div><div><span> -Do not use pins, tape, or other materials in direct contact with the object - this could damage the item you are trying to preserve. </span><br /><br /><br /><br /><b>
3) Scan/photograph & document important family documents</b><br />
<br />It should go without saying that your grandparents' marriage record; a military document for your great-great grandfather; prayer cards documenting the deaths of family members; a baptismal certificate; the family Bible; an old diary; and many other examples are important documents for your family's history. Even old school papers can be important pieces to preserve. These documents share the story of ourselves and our ancestors. Scanning these items and preserving them (see below for more details on preserving scans) is an important way to flesh out details of our/ancestors' lives. </div><div><br /></div><div>One example of this: When clearing out my great-uncle's home after he passed away, family members found a 5-year diary of his from the time that he was in middle and high school. This is a dated diary he kept for a 5 year span, in which he noted seemingly mundane things such as going to work, getting paid, going to school, etc.; but also recorded time and activities spent with his parents, grandparents, cousins and other relatives. This was such an amazing and valuable way to learn more about what life was like for my ancestors back in that time!<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>
4) Record our family members telling their stories</b></div><div><span> </span></div><div><span> -I used a simple point-and-shoot Canon camera to record videos of my grandmother (and since then, my paternal grandparents and other family members) speaking about their memories, speaking about photographs or certain heirlooms, telling stories they were told about their ancestors, etc. If you have a camcorder or other recording device that should work fine-- just make sure to consider what file format you will end up with and how easy or difficult it may be to preserve that format.</span><br /></div><div><span><span> -Record whatever family members you have available to you-- great-grandparents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, great aunts/great uncles, parents, and others! Just make sure you have permission.</span><br /></span></div><div><span><span> -Remember that if you are the oldest generation, you should record yourself speaking (or consider writing down) details and memories of your life, of your relatives that came before, etc. Is it potentially awkward to sit and record yourself? Sure - but your recordings will be cherished and valued by family members generations in the future - even cousins!</span><br /></span></div><div><span> -For ideas of prompts to ask family members or record of yourself, see this previous <a href="http://jadesgenes.blogspot.com/2015/01/family-history-surveys.html" target="_blank">blog post on family surveys</a>.</span></div><div><span> -I recommend making the videos/recordings relatively short (2-3 minutes in length, maybe a bit longer). This helps ensure the file does not have issues being preserved down the road. Very large video files can be difficult to transfer or may have copy errors, etc., causing an inability to access the file.</span></div><div><span> -When possible, creating a transcription (i.e., writing out what is said in each file, verbatim, into a text file), is a good backup to the video in the event that the video/audio file were to be corrupted or have some other issue in the future.</span><br />
<br /><br /><br /><b>5) If you are the holder of family photos, heirlooms, or other important documents or keepsakes, make sure you have a plan for who happens to those items when you are gone</b></div><div><span> -Have a written plan in place, preferably indicated in a will or other relevant legal document, for who should get specific objects after you pass away. It's not pleasant to think about, but passing away without a plan may mean important family photos, documents and heirlooms end up getting sold, donated, or worse, thrown away. I recently bought some items at an estate sale of a single woman who had a huge array of family heirlooms and photos. She left no descendants and the person handling her estate had seemingly not contacted cousins. I contacted a cousin who was devastated to learn their family heirlooms had all been sold at an estate sale without them having a chance to attend themselves. I was able to return just a few things to them, but having a plan in place would have prevented this scenario.</span><br /></div><div><span><span> -If you are not able to indicate such wishes in a legal document, clearly label items with your wishes (though this may not pass legal muster depending on local laws regarding estates), or pass items to their designated caretakers ahead of time. </span><br /></span></div><div><span><span><span> -If you do not have descendants or have discussed the situation with descendants who have indicated they are not interested in family photos or heirlooms, consider your cousins, however distant. There are many people researching and interested in their family history nowadays, so you may find when discussing with 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins or their descendants that one of those family members is interested in a particular family heirloom or set of photographs pertaining to their branch of the tree.</span><br /></span></span></div><div><span><span><span><span> -If all else fails, consider designating a local genealogical society, a historical society, research library or other institution which may accept donations of your family photos or heirlooms. If you have ancestors from different locations, you may wish to look at multiple institutions local to those particular areas your ancestors were from.</span><br /></span></span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br />
<br /><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;">Once you have labeled, documented, and scanned...</span></u></b><br /><u><i><b>
BACKUP your data!</b></i></u> All of those photos, documents, and videos add up. Make sure you backup these files in more than one location. Having everything on your computer is great until something happens to that computer! I usually back everything up on at least one flash drive and one external hard drive. Some folks have an extra external hard drive that they store in a different location such as a safety deposit box, a fireproof safe, etc. For some items, like the recordings of my grandmother telling her family stories, I made many copies and distributed these to family members. This helps ensure that if my copies get destroyed in some way, there should be other versions available elsewhere as backup.<br />
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In addition, finding an online storage solution is beneficial in case something happens to the physical file(s). Some store on the Cloud. I have a domain name and online server I pay for (through GoDaddy.com), where I have uploaded most of my family photo scans and videos. Other online storage platforms that include both free storage and additional paid storage, are Dropbox and Google Drive. Both of these sites allow easy sharing with family members as well. Some folks have established Facebook groups for their specific family groups, and upload photos and documents there as an additional means of preserving and sharing information/data with their family members. </div><div><br /></div><div>Make sure you utilize local and cloud-based storage in a complimentary manner- do not rely solely on backing up your data on your computer OR the Cloud (or vice versa). Utilizing both a computer, external hard drive and the cloud is the best strategy to help ensure your data isn't lost.<br />
<br /><br /><i><b><u>Organize your photos/documents</u></b></i></div><div>Some people use acid-free, archival quality sleeves, folders, binders and boxes. I store my photos flat, in acid-free plastic sleeves placed in bins, that are organized loosely by family name and size. Large photos are stored in archival boxes purchased from universityproducts.com. Old books, particularly fragile ones, are stored in acid free cardboard (again from University Products). Old cloth is stored in acid free tissue paper, in an acid free box. Overall, there are a lot of storage options, and some objects may require specialized storage or preservation care. You may need to consult an archivist at your local historical society or museum, for tips on proper care of your specific item. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><b><i><u>Make sure you're using archival quality products to label/organize/store your photos, documents and heirlooms!</u></i></b> </div><div>If you use paper with acid in them, this can eat at or otherwise destroy objects you are trying to preserve. If you use a non-archival quality pen, that pen can bleed through or otherwise damage a photo or other object. I have used universityproducts.com for years to purchase safe materials to use in preservation of photos, documents, and other objects.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>While long, the above is a brief overview of steps you can take today to more completely document and preserve your family's history, photos and objects. It can seem like a daunting task, but breaking it up into manageable chunks can help you accomplish this important task. Future generations of your family, both closely and distantly related, can benefit from your action today. Please note that I am not a professional archivist but have studied various techniques for preservation. What works best for me may not work best for you. If you have specialty items (especially old clothing or other difficult materials) you should consult a professional for assistance in properly preserving your object(s). </div><div><br /></div><div>I will *probably* update this post if I think of more topics related to the above discussion.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br />
<br /></div>jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-42059549517877799392018-08-12T23:37:00.001-07:002018-08-12T23:42:19.846-07:00Exploring Ancestral Places in Vermont!It has been a long while since I have updated this blog, due to a lot of real-life things going on. I'm going to try to get a post in now and see how it goes. Bear with me! Long post ahead..<br />
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A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to do something I didn't expect I would ever have the chance to do- explore areas of Vermont where my Greeley, Tarbell, Thompson, Davis, and related ancestors came from. Being from Wisconsin, and living in Georgia, I'd never really been to the northeast before or had a good reason to go (it's a bit expensive). Luckily, I got a great excuse to go! Good friends of mine from college decided to get married in the White Mountains in New Hampshire, so I decided to plan some extra time around the wedding for sightseeing and exploring ancestral areas. I wish I had a little more time up there to explore northern Vermont, where my Mayville and Reynolds ancestors came from. We will have to go back sometime, because I've discovered Tim has some ancestors from Vermont (though we don't know where, yet!)<br />
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One of the biggest things I wanted to do during the day I planned to go to Vermont, was find the so-called "Greeley Cemetery" which is located on what used to be the land associated with my ancestors Hiram and Betsy (Davis) Greeley, before they died and family moved away. It's located in the Green Mountains just east of Mt. Tabor, Vermont, and the land itself is now protected national forest. From what I was told, there used to be a town up in that area on the mountain, but when the national forest was created, the people were all told to get out and all buildings, etc., were burned. The land has reverted back to forest for the most part, so the cemetery and graves within are pretty darn remote.<br />
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I was determined to find it but also very hesitant to go adventuring in this forest given my lack of experience mountain hiking and dealing with bears.. I tried to gather as much information as possible about locating the cemetery before going. My uncle had attempted to locate the cemetery in the '90s and at that time had been warned strongly by locals not to do it. More recently, I met some folks online who had gone to the homestead and cemetery before. They gave some instruction, which did provide some helpful information but there were a lot of unknowns that remained, such as "is there an actual path that goes anywhere near the cemetery or are we literally just trekking through this forest on an unbeaten path?" I really didn't want to go get lost in the middle of a dang forest!<br />
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Because of that, and the uncertainty over bad weather for the day, I decided we should start with a cemetery that, while remote, was still relatively accessible. So we went to Smokeshire Cemetery, which is kind of in the middle of nowhere between Chester and Ludlow, VT. This was interesting because it involved going onto a dirt road that was very steep and went on what can only be classified as an extremely sketchy bridge over a stream. I didn't get a picture of the bridge.. but it had holes in the dirt on it and I wasn't sure if we'd make it to the other side or not!<br />
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We got to a turn off where a path splits off up to the cemetery off of the "road" we were on. While it was wide enough, I wasn't sure if the path up to the cemetery was intended for car traffic.. so we parked at the base of the hill and walked up. It was pretty cool to come to this clearing in the woods, with a small stone fence around the perimeter of the cemetery:<br />
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This cemetery has a lot of family in it, most of them off to the right when you go through the entrance. Some of the young children born to my 4x great-grandparents Corbet Tarbell and Amy Thompson are buried here, along with a bunch of Thompson relatives. Included in that are my 5x great-grandparents, William Thompson (below) and his wife Anna Putnam. Anna's stone unfortunately has snapped off it's base and also snapped in half in the process. It was leaning against a nearby monument. I was wishing there was something I could do but of course I have no means for a repair of this nature. Several of their children and other relatives are nearby in this cemetery. Here is William's stone:<br />
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My Tarbells that are known to be buried there are Corbet Tarbell Jr., Joseph N. Tarbell, Marcy Tarbell, and William Greenlief Tarbell. Thus far, their sister Wealthy Ann's burial has never been found. It's unknown if she died young (as the four children above did) or if she married. Their mother, my 4x great-grandmother Amy Thompson Tarbell's burial location is also unknown. She is supposed to have died to the southwest, in Mt. Tabor. She isn't buried here in Smokeshire to our knowledge, and I did not find her with Corbet Tarbell (later, below). There are many Vermont cemeteries that are not yet fully documented, so I hope someday to find where she was buried.<br />
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After wandering this cemetery for some time, we left and I decided we would go towards Mt. Tabor and try to locate the Greeley cemetery. All morning I had been wavering between being totally unconvinced that we should do it, and gung-ho to set off into the woods to find them. Now, just after noon, the radar was looking clear and I was feeling optimistic.<br />
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The following is what I wrote about our adventure to the cemetery, the night after we completed the hike. For some context, we were given two different possible ways/sets of instructions for reaching the cemetery. One involved walking primarily along part of the Appalachian Trail, called the "Long Trail." The other was via a so-called US Forest service, service road. Here's how we fared:<br />
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So, we decided to take the old service
road because we thought that might be a more direct route to the
cemetery, and John Arsenault had sent me a topographical map just
this morning which seemed like it would be the most useful. The other
thing we didn't know, was if there was actually a path of any sorts
between the suspension bridge on the Long Trail, or if that route
required just walking at random. We parked at the Long Trail parking
area and walked the rest of the way down the road (as it became
gravel right after this parking lot) - further up the mountain. We saw the “entrance” to
the Long Trail and it really didn't look appealing, and this helped
solidify our opinion.</blockquote>
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I think the walk down the road was
about a mile, perhaps closer to 2 miles. We reached the point where
the maps I had, indicated the old washed out service road would
exist. On the right was a spot where old car tracks were (possibly a
parking spot); and on the left were a row of about 5-6 posts, in the
middle of which appeared to be a tramped down trail of sorts.<br />
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We at first had some doubts (or a lot)
but we decided to try it and if it was a path to nowhere, at least we
had a tramped down path to follow back to the road. Tim went first to
knock down spiders, and especially so because of either of us he had
way more experience in the woods (as a boy scout). By way more
experience I mean, he has gone camping and I had no idea what I was
doing other than educated guessing and pure logic.
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We followed the footpath a while, it
merged with a small stream for parts of it, then we ended up in a
“path” that was clearly vehicle-width. We essentially surmised
that this path had begun as a wagon trail, and I suppose at some
point was used by service vehicles for the forestry department..
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Along the whole left side of the
road was a man-made “fence” of rocks-- basically a stone wall
about 1.5-2 feet? in height. Clearly, this was some sort of border,
theoretically the border of the land owned by the Greeleys. We
followed this along, not sure if the gravestones would be right along
this path, or if they were somewhere off to the left (east), because again, we had no explicit instructions on where this cemetery was located. About, I
would say, 65-70% of the way down the trail, I noticed that the
border rock wall curved inward, made an opening a little wider than
the side of a car or wagon, and on the right, in similarly curved
inward, then back out to make the rest of the wall, sort of like so (I couldn't get a good picture of this due to all the trees and brush):</blockquote>
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I thought to myself.. and also told
Tim, that it looked to me like the entrance to something, a driveway,
or whatever, and speculated that perhaps it was the entrance to where
their house had been. Tim decided to look down the path a little bit,
while I decided to go through this "driveway" entrance and up the slope a little
bit. I wandered in a straight line east, and couldn't see much. I was nervous of losing the path, since Tim wasn't nearby, so I decided to go back to the main path. Before turning back towards the path, I said out loud to myself, "I feel like I'm so close!"<br />
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We followed the path.. I found Tim down towards the
end... at the suspension bridge we had heard all about. It turns out
the path up from the suspension bridge is the same path that connects
up to the road. Who knew. Well, now we did. We paused for a second to enjoy the rapids
and falls that could be viewed from the middle of the suspension
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Anyway, now we knew we had gone past
the spot where we needed to turn in and look for the Greeleys, and
headed up this path now with the other directions of (from the
suspension bridge, go 500 feet NNW, then go about 200 feet east). We
now knew it was the path we were on, and that we must need to go in
about 200 feet to find them.<br />
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Tim counted out about 200 steps up the
path and wanted to turn in where we had seen some other evidence of
activity long ago. One, was a square area that was all this weird
green plant like a carpet. We had no idea why but it seemed like
something may have been at this spot. Near this we saw a big
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The stone didn't appear to say anything. Near this hole was a big flat stone somewhat similar to many of the old, old, colonial markers were made of (possibly slate?) It was about 2.5 feet long, 5 inches wide, and thin.. like a doorstep or something.. it was really interesting and the edges of this stone also looked as if they were hewn by a person. Below:</blockquote>
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In addition, there were about four very old-looking red bricks sitting on a rock near this area. I wondered whether it was a house or maybe the mill that had been here? Here:</blockquote>
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Obviously something had been here, but I was not convinced this was where the
cemetery was, and I was leaning more and more towards that bigger
clearing I had already seen, and thought maybe I just hadn't gone far
enough from the path. So, Tim and I returned to the main path, and he
continued counting out steps. Lo and behold, around 400-500 paces we
were back in front of that opening. We decided to pace out 200 steps
east and see what we could find. We knew from John's picture that the
graves were near a stone wall.. but we also knew that the stone wall
we had followed as part of the path, was not where the graves were.
So, we counted back and around that spot found another stone wall:</blockquote>
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At that point I had started hearing a
rumble and wondered if it was thunder (we were under a thick canopy
of trees, couldn't really see the sky!) A soft patter soon after
confirmed rain. Tim was telling me that if we followed this stone
wall, we would likely find the graves. I was (still) worried about getting
lost by getting too far from the path. I said something about how I
didn't know that this was even the right stone wall that the graves
were on, and started to think we should head in, especially if there
was a storm on the way. Just then I turned and looked to my left, and
what did I see but two gravestones. Maybe a mirage. No, they were
really there, about 30-40 feet SE of where we were standing, of
course along the stone wall. The ferns were so high as to almost
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We walked towards them and photographed
the surroundings, then I took a video walking out as the thunder was
confirmed and the rain picked up. Overall it was a lot of fun. We got
out on the road and back to the car as a downpour started, and
luckily the lightning was just far enough away to be of little
concern to us. Definitely an adventure!!</blockquote>
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Light shining down on the graves:</div>
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James Madison Sawtell, son of Amy Tarbell and James Sawtell:</div>
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My 4x great grandfather, Hiram Greeley:</div>
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His wife, my 4x great-grandmother, Betsey Davis:</div>
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After making it through this adventure, I had a long list of other relatives I wanted to try to find.. we decided to try to find as many of them as we could before we ran out of time (it was a 2+ hour drive back to our hotel in New Hampshire!) We stopped at an antique "store" (barn/house) in Mt. Tabor itself (Carr's Antiques) before heading on.. The lady who lived there was very nice but liked to talk and we were on a short time schedule!<br />
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I really enjoyed driving through these areas where my ancestors came from. The mountains were absolutely beautiful, and the roads often wound right alongside creeks or streams. This reminded me of up north in Wisconsin, outside of Appleton where many members of these same family members settled. Up in that area, many of the roads wind right alongside creeks, too (though without the beautiful mountainous backdrop!) In a way it felt like being back home. But trekking through the mountains made me wonder what possessed them to want to try to live here? And how did they maneuver this terrain with dirt roads and wagons during the winter?! Oh my gosh. It's no wonder to me that their children mostly moved west to the much flatter midwest and plains states.. While the mountains are beautiful I can imagine they were completely unforgiving back then.<br />
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We wound our way down towards Londonderry and found the final resting spot of my 4x great-grandfather Corbet Tarbell:<br />
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Next to him was his second wife, Nancy Bolster. No sign of his first wife, my ancestor, Amy Thompson. Other Tarbells, including some of Corbet's children who lived to adulthood, were scattered throughout this cemetery. There were a lot of Davises here, too, but we were running low on time and didn't have the chance to look thoroughly through this cemetery.<br />
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I then realized we were near Landgrove, where my Davis ancestors lived.. I wanted to find Gideon Davis's gravestone, so we went to the old Landgrove cemetery, established in 1810, hoping he would be there. Many members of his family were there, including his son Gideon Davis Jr. We didn't find a stone for the elder Gideon, though there was a lot of open space near Gideon Jr.'s gravestone. I wonder if he is there? Or perhaps elsewhere in some as-yet undocumented cemetery nearby?<br />
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We drove through Weston, VT, next. This was another familiar town name from my research. My ancestor Hiram Greeley had been given ownership of the 5th pew at the old meeting house in Weston. The meeting house still stands, though it was closed by the time we got there:<br />
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We then worked eastward towards Andover. On the way, we stopped to see Hiram Greeley's parents, my ancestors Lydia Cram and Nathaniel Greeley, in Middletown Cemetery:<br />
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Middletown Cemetery was right on a main road, but there was no marking for it-- just a vehicle-width path off to the right side of the road. Luckily Tim spotted it while we drove past.. then found somewhere to turn around. We had to just pull off to the side of the road and hope nobody hit our rental car, as there was nowhere remotely close to park. Middletown really meant, "middle of nowhere." This cemetery was peaceful and secluded. Many old stones, and quite a few Greeleys spread throughout.<br />
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Overall, it was a great day exploring Vermont areas that my ancestors had lived in and once roamed. It was obvious that I could have spent probably 3-4 days exploring all of these areas, and tracking down every single cemetery I wanted to visit (there were quite a few I just didn't have time to get to). I had wanted to go to a few more antique shops, too, looking for Greeley and Tarbell stuff, but we just didn't have the time. I hope I will have the opportunity sometime to explore further, and to get a bit further north to Swanton and St. Albans someday, too.<br />
<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-22796870461790900122016-11-12T19:12:00.001-08:002016-11-12T19:12:10.855-08:00Walsh Y-DNA ProjectHello!<br />
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I realized I should update this blog as it has been a while.<br />
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My Walsh Y-DNA project has been successful. The main goal with doing to DNA testing was trying to prove a theory that my ancestor John Walsh (b. ~1811) had a half-brother, Martin Walsh (b. 1837). Sue Welch had shared records of my cousin, Thomas Leslie "Les" Welch that indicated Les believed John and Martin to be half brothers. In his papers, he wrote the following:<br /><br />
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"There seems to be no record to show who the parents of John were but Martin Walsh, who came to Wisconsin about 1856 and who had previously gone to New Orleans after coming from Ireland, was a son of Patrick and Mary (Whalen) Walsh and this Martin was a half brother of John. Since the names were both originally Walsh it means that both were the sons of Patrick and that Mary (Whalen) Walsh was the stepmother of John. Martin and John had a brother who was a priest in Westport and a sister."</blockquote>
<br />The document continues but these are the paragraphs most relevant to the discussion here. I found it really interesting that Les mentioned not only that Martin was John's half brother, but that it also mentioned two more siblings. I only wish he had mentioned who the siblings were! I have not been able to determine who the "priest in Westport" was. I assume he means Westport, Wisconsin, but it's unclear- could he mean Westport, County Mayo?<br /><br />So, with Y-DNA testing, I sought to confirm Les Welch's statement that Martin and John were half-brothers. He hadn't mentioned where he got that information. I have not found any records that directly state that, but I had long thought that Martin was either a brother or son of John Walsh. I set out to prove that.<br />
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Not long after my post in January here, I got in touch with Steve Walsh who is a direct male descendant of Martin Walsh. After exchanging a few emails, we kicked off our project! He was generous enough to take the test for my project and split the costs with me. Then, with Sue's help we recruited a direct male descendant of John Walsh to also test.<br />
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I'm pleased to announce the project was a success! At 111 markers, our two lines matched at a genetic distance of 2. This fits with our theorized relationship. There is very little DNA shared at the autosomal level, but this is expected with what would be a half 3rd cousin once removed relationship between our two test takers. This is what makes Y-DNA so valuable. Based on the results I believe that John and Martin were half-brothers. I believe that if they were half brothers, or if Martin was John's son, we would have different results (particularly in the realm of autosomal DNA shared). I would be curious to see how other Martin Walsh descendants would match to us via autosomal DNA.<br /><br />The other aspect to report is the haplogroup for our Walshes is R-Z255 at this time. There are more subgroups on the haplotree but we have not yet tested those SNPs to get the most specific haplogroup available to us right now.<br />
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On other testing fronts, I did find a Tice cousin willing to take the Y-DNA test, too. The test finished processing but no close matches yet. Too bad. I am hoping there will be others who test in the future!<br />
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I'm excited that I've had the chance to get most of my brick wall lines to Y-DNA test. I'm hoping that more matches will test in the future.<br />
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This year I have also received some new matches to Hurst cousins that have helped to prove my theories on James Hurst's siblings! We've received DNA matches to descendants both of Patrick Hurst as well as Ellen Hurst Rice, which have helped prove that we are on the right track with our information. DNA is changing so much of what we can do with our genealogy!!<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-55129735136697838042016-03-26T23:34:00.000-07:002016-05-09T17:07:03.733-07:00Hess Family: Brick Wall DemolishedAbout a month ago I decided to try to act on a little notation I had found among information online, mentioning that my ancestor Louis Hess had married Theresia Kaiser at St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Chicago. Louis has been a brick wall for me for several years because no document I had been able to locate for him, ever listed where he was born. His death record mentioned he had been born in Alsace-Lorraine, and also mentioned that his father's name was Killian Hess. No mother's name had been listed.<br />
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Beyond that, I had no other hints as to where he was from. I had located the civil marriage record for Louis and Theresia and that gave no information. Their daughter Rose's birth record, similarly, gave no information. His naturalization information gave no information as to his birthplace, nor did his obituary. I had not been able to definitively locate immigration information such as a passenger's list. I had found a list for a ship called the "Denmark" which had a 22 year old Louis Hess on board, arriving in New York on 10 Sep 1872. On this ship were a Charles Hess, aged 18, and an Oscar Hess, aged 17. I had thought that if this was my Louis Hess, perhaps Charles and Oscar were siblings. But I had not been able to locate information on these other two men to prove any sort of connection.<br />
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So, just about a month ago now, I started digging into the Chicago Catholic church records on FamilySearch.org to see if I could find the marriage based on that random tidbit of information... a marriage at St. Anthony's Catholic Church. This was essentially a last resort after failing to find what I needed in every other record for Louis, so I did not have high expectations. I at first struggled to find the correct parish, but with the help of some folks on the Chicago Genealogy facebook group, I was able to find it (actually St. Anthony of Padua, and it was combined with another church in the records, which explains why it had been difficult for me to find the correct parish)..<br />
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Wow. Interestingly-- and I never knew this until I found this record-- this was a double wedding! Theresia's sister, Anna Maria Kaiser, married a man named Jacob Michels on this same day at the same church. A good lead, since I knew that all of Theresia's sisters had immigrated, but had no idea what happened to them after they arrived, other than her oldest sister, Adelheid, who moved to Kansas.</div>
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Anyway, the marriage record above states that Louis was from "Niederneh, Elsass." Theresia's origin is listed as "Lingen, Hanover." This would be Kreis Lingen, and she was born in the town of Listrup, which is within Kreis Lingen in Hanover. Having that correct information on this record helped validate the new piece of information regarding Louis. </div>
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So, what is "Niederneh?" I started Googling the name and determined that it may be an abbreviation for a town called Niederehnheim (in German) or Niedernai (in French) [<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niedernai">Niedernai Wikipedia page</a>]. This town exists in the Alsace region and changed back and forth between Germany and France, hence the two different names for the town. Nowadays the town is in France and is called Niedernai permanently.<br />
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This was good news for me, because the Alsace records are all online free <a href="http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php?refacces=" target="_blank">here</a>, including the civil and Catholic church records for Niedernai. I signed in to the site and in the Niedernai records immediately started seeing records for Hesses, which was a good sign. And then, I found it.. the civil birth record for my ancestor Louis Hess (named Francois Louis Hess on this record.. thanks to the French). I had known his middle initial was "F." so this fit. His family was German living in French-ruled Niedernai at the time of his birth, which is why the record is in French. His German name would be Franz Ludwig Hess, and his Rufname was Ludwig/Louis (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_name#Forenames" target="_blank">Rufname</a> explanation).<br />
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I could not believe it when I first saw this record. I admit that I had a nerdy-emotional moment. I had searched so long that I had not thought it was possible for me to break down this brick wall. But, here I was, looking at his birth record, and seeing the name of his mother for the first time: Maria Elisabeth Lutz.<br />
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Since I discovered this record, I have been slowly filling in my family tree for this branch of the family, as time has allowed with a busy work schedule. It turns out that the Hess family (and associated ancestors) had been in Niedernai for over 150 years before Louis left in 1872. I have been working on getting the tree back as far as I can and so far have most lines to at least 1700 if not further back. It's still a work in progress as I work to interpret more records. Some records are missing so there are a few lines that may not extend as far back as the others.<br />
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I found that Louis did have a brother named Charles, and he was two and a half years younger than Louis. I believe now that the passenger list I had found is of Louis and his brother Charles immigrating, but I have not figured out yet who Oscar Hess is.<br />
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I'm very excited to see how much further back I can trace these lines! This also give me hope that someday I will figure out where in Alsace my ancestor Johann Diebold came from..<br />
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Apologies for neglecting this page.. sometimes my life and research are so busy that I can't find the spare time to write here. 2015 was a busy year and also ended in some sad times for my family, as for the first time I lost some close family members, my grandfather Robert Mayville, and my young cousin Sydney Kratochwill. As a genealogist it's a strange thing to go through. I have been working hard to preserve my family's history and trying to document the memories and experiences of my remaining grandparents as best as I can. </div>
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As far as my genealogical research in 2015, it all boiled down to two main things, DNA testing and German records!</div>
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I have been attempting to use DNA testing to try to break down some brick walls. I first tested my dad, in an attempt to find out more about our Paternal line, the Walter/Walters/Walther family. Our furthest back paternal ancestor is Simon Walter, who was supposedly born 10 Apr 1810 in "Neubeuren bei Wiesenfeld" and is a complete brick wall for me. No idea where that place is, as there doesn't seem to be a real place with that combination of place names, and I have no idea who his parents were.</div>
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Based on my grandpa's autosomal test results, which had quite a few matches with mostly English ancestry, I had suspected that perhaps Simon might not be from Germany as he had said he was. He was over 40 when he came to the U.S. and married Margaretha Kaemmlein, so I wondered if he had something to hide, if he perhaps had another family elsewhere. My grandpa's ancestors all immigrated immediately from Germany, so I had no other explanation for the matches with solely English ancestry.<br />
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So, my dad agreed to do a Y-DNA test, which traces only the direct male line. I did not get answers that I expected to get, and unluckily, no close matches to help solve my mystery... The results mention that my dad has the haplogroup 1-P37 (I2a). Interestingly this haplogroup is more common in eastern and southeastern Europe, and rare in Germany, but it is one that can occasionally be seen in Germany. We don't have any close matches but have some further away, with a genetic distance of 6 or more, which is not beneficial for my research. The matches have most distant ancestors from Poland, Ukraine, and Greece to name a few. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: x-large;">I</span></b> next wanted to try my luck with the Diebold brick wall. I asked my cousin to help me out, who is a direct male Diebold. He agreed and took the Y-DNA test for me. Our brick wall ancestor is Johann Diebold b. 18 Jul 1828, supposedly in "Elsass-Zabern." His parents were supposedly named, Joseph and Margaret Diebold (no maiden name given), but that's not much to go off of. Records for Bas-Rhin are online, but are not indexed. So, without an exact town name it's been impossible to find him.</div>
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The test results came back and from it we learned that the Diebolds have a haplogroup of E-L117. This haplogroup is most common among northern Africans but is also present in some Europeans, indicating a possible direct male ancestor who came to Europe from Africa around 10,000 years ago (or sooner, but for us that will be nearly impossible to determine). We unfortunately have NO matches at this time, so that also doesn't help in my quest right now.. so, for now I wait patiently and hope that someone will take the test.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: x-large;">O</span></b>n the Mayville Y-DNA front we have worked with the "French Heritage DNA Project" to map the genome of the Miville line. We are also hoping to find some Mieville/Miville descendants who still live in Switzerland today, in hopes that we can confirm where our immigrant ancestor, Pierre Miville, was from. We had a new, close match pop up earlier this week so we are excited to work out the connection with this new match.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: x-large;">A</span></b>dditionally, I am working on recruiting male Walsh descendants to take the Y-DNA test at FTDNA.com, too. We may be able to convince one person who is known to descend from my Walsh line, and I am hoping to find a descendant of Martin Walsh (b. 1837) to take the Y-DNA test, also, as he is supposed to be a half brother of my ancestor John Walsh (b. 1810). I am hoping to find other Walsh descendants to take the autosomal DNA test.. it would be nice to get others who descend from the many Walshes who were in Dane Co., in the mid-to-late nineteenth century, to take the autosomal test in hopes of connecting our lines together and perhaps finding the place of origin for the Walshes in Ireland. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: x-large;">I</span></b> also managed to take a test at 23andMe recently. I previously had autosomal kits at Ancestry and FTDNA, but had not yet tested with 23andMe, so now I am in all three major databases, plus gedmatch.com (free comparison site). Below, for fun, are the ethnicity estimates provided by each company. On left is Ancestry's estimate, middle is 23andMe, and on the right is FTDNA. It's interesting to see how different their algorithms are.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: x-large;">M</span></b>y other big project of 2015 was to try to track down as many records or family books for the German towns my ancestors lived in, as I could. I spent quite a lot of time doing this, especially in locating records for Duengenheim and nearby towns where my Hagemann, Emmerich, and other associated families were from. I made a lot of progress with this and also made some new friends from across the pond who have been immensely helpful in tracing my lineage. I owe a lot to Gerhard and Remy.<br />
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There are still a lot of records to be found and requested from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. They have many German records on microfilm, but it is a time consuming task, so I will probably have to wait until the summer to order more microfilms. That will certainly keep me busy.jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-61385736260360381172015-03-21T01:33:00.000-07:002015-03-21T01:49:59.778-07:00Notes for later.. (More Irish queries)Digging in Irish recs again. Is this Mary Rice Boyd?<br />
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<tr class="highlight-person"><td class="result-value bold-text">Mary Boyd </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Wife</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">F</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">42</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Ireland</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WR3">Martha Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Daughter</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">F</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">18</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WRQ">Mary Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Daughter</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">F</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">15</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WR7">Andrew Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Son</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">M</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">12</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WRW">Louisa Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Daughter</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">F</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">10</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WR4">Samuel Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Son</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">M</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">7</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
<tr><td class="result-value "><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS3H-WRH">Lilly Boyd</a> </td><td class="result-label" scope="row">Daughter</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">F</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">4</td><td class="result-value" scope="row">Illinois</td></tr>
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Is this a death record for James Rice's wife, Mary Donnelan?</div>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N726-FMT">Mary E. Rice</a> </td></tr>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">09 Jun 1904 </td></tr>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Ethnicity:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">American </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Race:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">White </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Occupation:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">housewife </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Birth Year (Estimated):</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">1861 </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">England </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Burial Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">12 Jun 1904 </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Cemetery:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Mt Carmel </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Record Number:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">43 </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Source Reference:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">cn 15362 </td></tr>
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<span class="record-value">If we recall from the Griffith's valuation down lower on this page, who is very likely may ancestor Catherine Hurst is listed next to a Dominick O'Neill. If this is my Catherine, as all evidence indicates so far, her maiden name was Catherine. My DNA match is to a descendant of Mary O'Neill who married Michael O'Malley. I have in my notes that Mary O'Neill was born in Islandeady. the O'Malleys seem to have widely inhabited Co. Mayo, but especially the area of Westport, and Mary O'Neill O'Malley and her husband Michael, as well as several of their children, came to Dane Co., Wisconsin and started the town of Westport, which is ALSO where my ancestor James Hurst settled.. aha. </span></div>
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<span class="record-value">Mary O'Neill O'Malley had a son named Dominick who is tied to my Walsh/Hurst family via several documents. Dominick O'Malley. Hmm. Dominick O'Neill? So, who was the Dominick O'Neil on the 1855 Griffith's valuation of the towns in Islandeady parish? I'm finding a couple of Dominick O'Neils who had kids in the 1840s and beyond in Islandeady Parish... First is this guy, who married a Sabina Rodgers:</span></div>
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<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Name:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Dominick</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">O'Neil</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;" width="20"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Date of Death:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">25-Aug-1876</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Age:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">78y</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Parish / District:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Islandeady district</td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Address:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Derrycourain</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">County:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Co. Mayo</td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Status:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Married</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Denomination:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Civil Parish</td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Occupation:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">LANDHOLDER</td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Sex:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Male</td></tr>
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<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Graveyard:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Relationship:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Householder</td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Parish:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Name:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Sabina O'Neil</td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">County:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" colspan="2" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;"></td><td style="margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Address:</td><td class="form_body_advanced" style="background-color: #c6c29c; margin: 0px; padding: 4px;">Derrycourain</td></tr>
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<span class="record-value">b. about 1798? Catherine O'Neill Hurst was b. about 1813 according to her death rec.</span><br />
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<span class="record-value">Kids of Dominick & Sabina (Rodgers) (remember recs started around 1840 or later, so there could be earlier kids than this):</span><br />
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<span class="record-value"><br /></span><span class="record-value">1) Catherine baptized 28 May 1844, res. "Derrycourane," Islandeady RC parish, witnesses: Daniel Rogers and CATHERINE O'Neil.</span><br />
<span class="record-value"><br /></span><span class="record-value">2) Dominick baptized 12 Jun 1847, res. "Deracourane," Islandeady RC parish, witnesses: not recorded.</span><br />
<span class="record-value"><br /></span>3) Patrick O'Neal baptized 15 Feb 1853, residence not given, Islandeady RC Parish; witnesses: John RYCE & Bridget RYCE.<br />
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4) Honor O'Neil baptized 1 Dec 1854, residence not given, Islandeady RC Parish; witnesses: PATRICK HURST and ELLEN HURST.<br />
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<span class="record-value">5) Daniel O'Neal baptized 29 Mar 1861, residence not given, Islandeady RC Parish; witnesses: Edward Gillen and Bridget Molloy.</span></div>
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<span class="record-value"><br /></span><span class="record-value">I think there are very likely other children that aren't popping up in the list above, possibly not easy to find based on the variations possible with the name "Dominick" so we may need to wait until the parish registers come out this summer to search by hand and see if any other children pop up. Though, judging from the death rec, if Dominick was really born in about 1798, he's having these kids in his 50s and 60s.. so, possibly had a first wife before this, and other kids born before the 1840 start of records.</span><br />
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<span class="record-value">1) Michael O'Neil son of Dominick O'Neil and Anne Stephens; baptized 27 Apr 1846, residence "Derychoran"; parish Islandeady. Witness: Michael Brady.</span><br />
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<span class="record-value">2) Anne O'Neil daughter of Dominick O'Neil and Anne O'Neil; baptized 19 Dec 1840, residence "Derrahoran," parish Islandeady. Witnesses: Patrick Walsh and Margaret Calaghan.</span><br />
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<span class="record-value">3) Dominick O'Neil son of Dominick O'Neil and Anne Hopkins; baptized 7 Jan 1844, residence not given, parish Islandeady. Witnesses: James Corcoran and Bridget Hopkins.</span></div>
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jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-23387594604193796452015-03-07T14:00:00.003-08:002015-03-07T14:00:38.198-08:00Walsh family from Galway?In addition to my recent search for my Hurst ancestors from County Mayo, I've also been on the hunt for my Walsh ancestors; another brick wall of mine.<br />
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My ancestor Mary Ann Walsh was supposedly born 24 Oct 1848 in "Galway," Ireland. I've never known if this meant the county or the city. Her parents were John (1811-1878) and Bridget (Feb 1809-12 April 1895). I have not been able to find anything about these guys, including Bridget's maiden name. We have a picture of Bridget and I have copies of her probate file, but I haven't found anything useful from them. According to a cousin via Mary Ann's sister Bridget (Walsh) Busby, Bridget's maiden name was also Walsh but she supposedly wasn't related in any way to her husband John Walsh. According to this same source, Bridget killed an English soldier who was burning her father's hands because he wouldn't tell the soldier where his "pots of gold" were (this is directly from her letter). Because of this, Bridget had to flee and the letter continues, stating that Mary Ann was born at sea rather than born in Ireland. I've never heard this story before and neither had my grandma, so we are both really curious as to the veracity of the story. I have no idea how to prove it, though. I've always been told that the Walshes immigrated when Mary Ann was six months old, but I've never found a ship manifest for them, yet.<br />
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I thought I'd look on rootsireland.ie for her and did not have any luck finding either Mary Ann nor her parents. I searched for any children born to parents named John Walsh and Bridget (no maiden name specified). I found a lot of them in Co. Galway, and also expanded my search to Co. Mayo, just in case. Nothing I found matches what I know about the make up of my Walsh family.<br />
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I've assumed that John and Bridget, based on their ages, were likely married in the early 1830s. If that's the case my information is very lacking on their children, as I only have four confirmed children, those being:<br />
1) Thomas Welch b. ~1840 in Ireland; married Hannah O'Malley in Wisconsin; d. 17 Nov 1880.<br />
2) Judy Walsh b ~1845 in Ireland; appears only on the 1860 census and listed as "deaf & dumb." I've never found anything else about her.<br />
3) Mary Ann Walsh b. 24 Oct 1848 in Ireland? married James Hurst; d. 24 Dec 1925<br />
4) Anna Rachel Walsh b. 29 Sep 1850 Dane Co., WI; married Thomas F. Ryan; d. 20 Mar 1932<br />
5) Bridget Walsh b. 10 Dec 1854 Dane Co., WI; married William A. Busby; d. 23 Jun 1932<br />
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I didn't find any records matching this family profile for the children b. in Ireland; but it could just be that there are no records online yet for the parish they were born in. I thought I would post what I did find in case it becomes relevant later:<br />
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<u>Children of John Walsh and Bridget
Kenny of Sorreltown (Parish Dunmore, Co. Galway)</u></div>
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-Martin Walsh bap. 16 Nov 1836</div>
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Sponsor(s): Martin Glynn & Mary
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-Mary Walsh bap. 30 Sep 1838</div>
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Sponsor(s): Michael Scarry & Mary
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-Michael Walsh bap. 20 Sep 1841</div>
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Sponsor(s): Thomas and Margaret Glennon</div>
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-Thomas Walsh bap. 20 Dec 1844</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Kenny</div>
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-Bridget Walsh bap. 12 Jan 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick and Honor Devine</div>
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<u>Children of John Walsh and Bridget
Walsh of Oranmore Parish, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Thomas Walsh bap. 21 Nov 1842</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Farrel and Bridget
Tierny</div>
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-Margaret Walsh b. 14 Dec 1845; bap. 28
Dec 1845</div>
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Sponsor(s): Bridget Connell</div>
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-John Walsh bap. 29 Jun 1849</div>
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Sponsor(s): James Baley and Mary Ward</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Walsh of
Kilcummin Oughterard, County Galway</u></div>
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-Patrick Walsh bap. 24 Dec 1837</div>
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Sponsor(s): Samuel Maxwell & Mary
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-Mary Walsh bap. 4 Feb 1845</div>
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Sponsor(s): Thomas Sullivan and Mary
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Fahy
(cripple) of Kilcummin Oughterard, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-John Walsh bap. 14 Jun 1842</div>
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Sponsor(s): Martin McHoy and Mary Rall</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Folan of
Truskee West (Rahoon Parish, Co. Galway)</u></div>
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-unnamed Walsh bap. 11 Dec 1837
(Knockanacarragh)</div>
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Sponsor(s): Martin Folan & Honor
Walsh</div>
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-Margaret Walsh bap. 1 Nov 1839 (res.
Knockanacariagh)</div>
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Sponsor(s): Martin Folan and Honor
Walsh</div>
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-Honor Walsh bap. 20 Oct 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Sabina Joyce</div>
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-Michael Walsh bap. 5 May 1850</div>
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Sponsor(s): Sabina Joyce</div>
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-Martin Walsh bap. 18 Sep 1853</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Hickey
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Triston
(Trisnane or Preston) of Palinee (Rahoon Parish, Co. Galway)</u></div>
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-Thomas Walsh bap. 19 Dec 1836</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Flaherty
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-Owen Walsh bap. 1 Jul 1839</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Preston &
Bridget Kelly</div>
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-Mary Walsh bap 4 Sep 1842</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Trisnane and Mary
Flaherty</div>
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-John Walsh bap 1 Nov 1844
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Triston & Mary
Flaherty</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Mullins of
Parkavera (Rahoon Parish, Co. Galway)</u></div>
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-Michael Walsh bap. 17 Jul 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): James Sweeney and Margaret
Walsh</div>
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<u>John Walsh and Bridget Kean of Liss,
Parish Abbeyknockmoy, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Anne Walsh, bap. 29 Apr 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Kean</div>
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<u>John Walsh and Bridget Joyce of
Turlagh, Parish Rosmuc, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Anne Walsh bap. 23 May 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Colman Conry and Catherine
Thornton</div>
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-Honor Walsh bap. 6 Aug 1850</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Anna
Walsh</div>
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-Colman Walsh bap. 26 Jun 1855</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Anna
Walsh</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Kilroy of
Parish Woodford, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Catherine Walsh bap. 12 Apr 1837</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Conry &
Margaret Conry</div>
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-Bridget Walsh bap. 5 Nov 1841</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Banfield &
Bridget Gleeson</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Hennessy of
Parish Woodford, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-John Walsh bap. 12 Mar 1838</div>
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Sponsor(s): Thomas Gaffy & Maria
Hennessy</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Duggan of
Parish Moycullen, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Bridget Walsh
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Sponsor(s): Thomas Walsh &
Catherine Melia</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Colmer of
Parish Donaghpatrick, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Bartholomew Walsh bap. 26 Jun 1853</div>
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Sponsor(s): John Kane & Mary Kane</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Hession of
Tuam Parish, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Mary Walsh bap. 24 Aug 1854</div>
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Sponsor(s): John G. King & Judith
Noone</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Dempsey of
Killeenadeema Parish, Co. Galway</u></div>
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-Mary Walshe b. 3 May 1836; bap. 5 May
1836</div>
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Sponsor(s): Thomas Mitchell and Mary
Connelly</div>
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<b>Co. Mayo</b></div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Brennan of
Balanamorogue, Parish Islandeady</u></div>
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-Patrick Walsh bap 7 Sep 1839</div>
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Sponsor(s): Patrick Brennan and Bridget
Brennan</div>
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<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Bridget Walsh bap. 11 May 1845</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Thomas Walsh & Mary
McGreal</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Swords of
Derychase, Parish Islandeady</u></div>
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-Ellen Walsh bap. 10 Feb 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Anthony Swords</div>
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<u>John Walsh & Bridget Brannelly
of Islandeady Parish</u></div>
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-Mary Walsh bap 15 Dec 1841</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Walsh</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Flynn of
Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Thomas Walsh bap 20 Feb 1845</div>
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sponsors John Flynn and Bridget Walsh.</div>
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<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Ludden of
Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh b. 1 May 1841</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh</div>
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<br />
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<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Patrick Walsh bap. 16 Mar 1845</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael Walsh &
Winifred Lavell</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Catherine Walsh bap 10 May 1847</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Anthony Walsh and Judith
Walsh</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Trembleton
of Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap 3 Sept 1844</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James MacGuire and
Catherine Fitzmorris</div>
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</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Jordan of
Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh BORN 2 Dec 1842</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Anthony Walsh and Margaret
Malley</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Canton of
Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-James Walsh bap. 16 Feb 1840</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Mrs. Fahey</div>
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</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Carney of
Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Thomas Walsh b. 8 Nov 1838</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh & Mary
Walsh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Patrick Walsh bap 6 Nov 1840</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Mary
Walsh</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Jennings of
Barradruma/Burrin, Aglish Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Patrick Walsh bap 1 Jan 1854</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Corcoran and
Margaret Walsh</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh b. 13 Apr 1855; bap. 17 Apr
1855</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Honoria
Jennings</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Gannon of
Elmhall, Balla Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Catherine Walsh bap 25 Feb 1839</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Redmond Walsh and Margaret
Cannon</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Honor Walsh bap 1 Oct 1841</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael and Bridget Walsh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Edmond Walsh bap. 10 Sep 1844</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Peter Joyce and Honor
Gannon</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget McHugh of
Lognamuck, Balla Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap 25 Aug 1842</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Thomas and Bridget Walsh</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-James Walsh bap. 28 Sep 1844</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James Walsh & Bridget
Kavanaugh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-John Walsh bap. 16 Apr 1846</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Ryan & Mary
Ryan</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Anne Walsh bap 1 Jan 1852</div>
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Sponsor(s): James Keans and Mary Walsh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap. 1 Apr 1855</div>
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Sponsor(s): David and Elizabeth Walsh</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Kilgallen
of Balla Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Margaret Walsh bap 2 Mar 1844</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James Corbet & Ellen
Timond</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap 10 Jan 1847</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James Killgalin and Celia
Killgalin</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Mally of
Cuilaneellane (and Bohane), Burriscarra Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Patrick Walsh bap. 10 Feb 1845</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Mary
Mally</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh bap 10 Feb 1846</div>
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Sponsor(s): Owen Mally and Anne Mally</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Gavin of
Maumeens, Burriscarra Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Catherine Walsh bap 14 Dec 1840</div>
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Sponsor(s): Thomas Brennan and Anne
Gavin</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget
Comons/Commins of Crossboyne & Tagheen RC Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap 21 Aug 1836</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James and Bridget Walsh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-James Walsh bap 9 Jan 1838</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Bridget
Mury</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh bap. 11 Jul 1841</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James Walsh and Mary Comons</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Thomas Walsh bap. 9 Aug 1844
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): James Walsh and Honor Muney</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>Maybe same parents as above (wife
Bridget Cormican?)</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-William Walsh bap 11 Apr 1847</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick and Mary Walsh</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Walsh of
Crossboyne & Tagheen</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-James Walsh bap 5 Sep 1843</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Sweeny and Mary
Burke</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Foye of
Crossboyne & Tagheen Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Margaret Walsh bap 2 Aug 1840</div>
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Sponsor(s): Mary Kivnan</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Burke of
Killenacough, Oughaval Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-John Walsh bap. 14 Sep 1846</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Philip Heverin & Sally
Casey</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Walsh of
Aughagower, Parish same</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Michael Walsh bap 30 Apr 1846</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael Conway and Bridget
Walsh</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Anne Walsh bap 27 Jul 1849</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael Malley and
Catherine Barret</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Malley of
Cushin, Aghagower Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Anthony Walsh b. 20 Mar 1855</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Anthony Malley and Bridget
Cannon</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget no last
name rec. of Glassvalley, Shrule Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Martin Walsh bap 13 Nov 1846</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Martin Heskin &
Catherine Walsh</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget McHale of
Bekan Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Peter Walsh bap 6 Jan (1841?)</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): William and Ellenor Jordan</div>
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</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Henely of
Cahernublan, Ballovey Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh bap 2 Jun 1850</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick Walsh and Patrick
Farragher</div>
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Bourke of
Cloonboy, Kilcolman Parish</u>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Mary Walsh bap 1 Nov 1851</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): John Walsh and Ellen Clarke</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Bridget Walsh bap 26 Nov 1854</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael Walsh and Bridget
Keegan</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Walsh of
Cloonliffin, Ballinrobe Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Thomas Walsh bap 22 Dec 1853</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Pat Walsh and Honor
O'Sullivan</div>
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<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget McGrath of
Cregmore, Kilmaine Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Anne Walsh bap 18 Nov 1854</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Patrick McGrath and Mary
Conroy</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Malley of
Kilmaine Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Bridget Walsh bap 26 Oct 1854</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Edward and Mary Naughton</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Walsh of
Keelogues Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-Anne Walsh bap 27 Sep 1854</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): Michael Murphy and Winny
Caufield</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<br />
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<u>John Walsh & Bridget Hughes of
Seechane, Kilfian Parish</u></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
-John Walsh b. 9 Apr 1835; bap. 12 Apr
1835</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Sponsor(s): John Hughes and Mary Walsh</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
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</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
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<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Misc.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Co. Waterford</div>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
Judith Walsh bap. 18 Jul 1841 Newcastle
Parish, Co. Waterford, parents John Walsh & Brigid Carew;
sponsors Jeremiah Carew & Mary Carew.</div>
<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-78250305897966851812015-02-28T22:15:00.001-08:002015-03-10T09:39:11.524-07:00Hursts from Mayo Part IIIt seems that there is in fact a connection between the names I mentioned in my last post... It seems certain that my DNA match's ancestor descends from John Rice and Ellen Hurst. All we need to do is confirm, via definite records, that Ellen Hurst was the sister to my James Hurst. It's almost certainly true, and if so, I've located where the Hursts lived in Ireland and can proceed with locating more records on my ancestors there. PROBABLY. Fingers crossed. I've written to an archive to hopefully receive a birth or baptismal record for James to confirm the location, and from there I'll be able to confirm this whole theory.<br />
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<br />
Which begs the question. What other siblings did Ellen and James have? (if they are siblings). A godparent of one of Ellen's children is Patrick Hurst. Could this be another sibling?<br />
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<br />
I have been photographing Resurrection Cemetery in Madison as part of an ongoing project of mine to get everyone with a photo loaded into find-a-grave. Part of my motivation was that there are a lot of Irish and German immigrants buried in the cemetery, many with common names to some of my families, but which I haven't confirmed yet. I hoped that by photographing these sections I might find new relatives.<br />
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One interesting grave that I found last year as that of a Harry Hurst (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=131471179). Hurst is not a common last name. At least, not in Madison, Wisconsin. Therefore I looked into it to see if I could find any possible common ancestry with my James Hurst. Here's a summary of the info I found last year while looking into records:<br />
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"<span style="background-color: #dcd0cf; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Harry and Mary (Betty) had two daughters, Joan and Sheila (m. Merrill Owen). Harry's parents were Michael Hurst (b. 1861 Ireland) and Mary Ruane (b. 1871 Ireland). They were married 14 Feb 1893 in Chicago (witnessed by a James Hurst and a Katie [Keena?]. Michael died 2 Jan 1929 in Chicago, and his death rec lists parents as Patrick Hurst and Ellen Corcoran. Michael appears to have had a brother, James Hurst. Per his death record, James was b. 1 Mar 1868 in Co. Mayo, Ireland to Patrick Hurst and Ellen Corcoran. He died 30 Dec 1923 in Chicago. His wife was Rose Dunn and he was buried </span><a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12932067" style="background-color: #dcd0cf; color: #552255; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">here</a><span style="background-color: #dcd0cf; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">.</span>"<br />
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Michael.. James... Patrick. Hmm familiar names. And seemingly with a connection to County Mayo. Last year when I wrote that all out, I didn't have access to rootsireland.ie because it was not a subscription site yet (it used to be pay-per-record). I just decided to dig a little more in this, since the Patrick Hurst listed as the father of Michael b. 1861 and James b. 1868 would appear to be in the generation as James and Ellen.<br />
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What did I find? Children of Patrick Hurst and Ellen Corcoran, all born in the SAME TOWN as Ellen Hurst & John Rice's kids. See below:<br />
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1) Mary Hurst bap 15 Aug 1858 Islandeady RC Parish, Co. Mayo; sponsors Malachy and Sabina Corcoran.<br />
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2) Honor Hurst bap 1 Jan 1860 Islandeady RC Parish, Co. Mayo; sponsors Dominick Corcoran and Catherine O'Donal.<br />
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3) Henry Hurst b. 16 Feb 1864 in Derrycooraune, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo<br />
-Henry Hurst bap. 21 Feb 1864 in Islandeady RC Parish; sponsors <b><i><u>John Ryce & Ellen Hurst</u></i></b>.<br />
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4) James Hurst b. 25 Feb 1866 in Derracooran, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo to parents Patrick Hurst and Ellen Corcoran.<br />
-<b>James bap. 1 Mar 1866</b> in Islandeady RC Parish, Co. Mayo; sponsors Luke and Ellen Corcoran.<br />
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5) Sarah Hurst b. 20 Aug 1868 Derrocooran, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo.<br />
-Saragh Hurst bap 15 Aug 1868 Islandeady RC Parish (res. Derecorane); sponsors Malachy and Saragh Corcoran<br />
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6) Ellen Hurst b. 30 Oct 1870 Deracoorane, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo.<br />
-Eleanor Hurst bap 24 Oct 1870 Islandeady RC Parish (res. Derrycooran) parents Patrick Hurst and Maria [anglicized? middlename?] Corcoran; sponsors John Browne and Maria Browne.<br />
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7) Catherine Hurst b. 8 Jul 1876 Derrycorrain, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo.<br />
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Here's one that I'm pretty sure fits, but the mother's name is off... Ellen was referred to as Maria in the parish record for one other kid, so maybe this is hers, too:<br />
Michael Hurst bap 6 Jan 1862 at Islandeady RC Parish; parents Patrick Hurst & Mary Hurst; Sponsors Dominick O'Donnell and Sabina Rodgers.<br />
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If that is him, it would fit with the Michael Hurst above who is related to Harry Hurst who is buried in Madison, WI.<br />
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Deaths came, too:<br />
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Mary Hurst, res. Derrycooraun d. 16 Mar 1865, age 7 years daughter of Patrick Hurst and his wife, Ellen (reported the death). Civil Rec.<br />
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All told, it seems that the Michael and James who are the father and uncle of Harry Hurst, seem to have come from the same area as Ellen Hurst Rice and possibly James Hurst, in Islandeady district. As I emphasized above, Ellen Hurst and John Rice were sponsors of one of Patrick's son Henry. Does this absolutely mean Ellen and Patrick were siblings? No.. but being from the same tiny town, it just might mean they are. I have to find birth and marriage recs for Ellen and Patrick Hurst to confirm who their parents were.<br />
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Hopefully I can find the right archiv to get that info from!<br />
<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-22756098696107617182015-02-24T04:15:00.000-08:002015-02-28T23:40:45.826-08:00Hursts from Co. Mayo?I'm using this blog as a "scribble pad" tonight for some note-taking and to organize my thoughts. I've been focused lately on my brick walls. Lately, I have been doing some digging into some records on rootsireland.ie which is a site that has some, but not all records, for Ireland. I wanted to put what I've found together here, and hopefully it'll lead to further info down the road. The person of emphasis for this post is James Hurst.<br />
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Quick recap of known facts about James Hurst:<br />
B. 1 Sept 1832 in County Mayo (census gives a range of years between 1832-1840, but this is the birth date given on his death record).<br />
Immigrated: ca. 1862 according to census (haven't found a manifest to support, yet)<br />
Parents: Michael Hurst & Catherine O'Neill<br />
Possible other relatives? I've found no evidence of siblings of his having come with him to the U.S., or at least not to Dane Co., Wisconsin. I've been told also that his parents lived and died in Ireland. However, the 1880 census lists two nieces living with him, both having been born in Ireland. Mary, born ca. 1859 and Bridget born ca. 1864.<br />
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Something interesting I've noticed naming patterns. There are many versions of this but the most common convention I've found is:<br />
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<strong style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;"><span style="font-size: small;">Sons </span></strong><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">1st son was named after the father's father </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">2nd son was named after the mother's father </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">3rd son was named after the father </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">4th son was named after the father's eldest brother </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">5th son was named after the mother's eldest brother</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; font-size: small; text-align: -webkit-center;"><strong>Daughters </strong></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">1st daughter was named after the mother's mother </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">2nd daughter was named after the father's mother </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">3rd daughter was named after the mother </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">4th daughter was named after the mother's eldest sister</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">5th daughter was named after the father's eldest sister</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times; text-align: -webkit-center;">(source: </span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, Times;">http://www.igp-web.com/cork/Naming.html)</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman, Times;">If I compare this to the kids of James Hurst and his wife, Mary Ann Walsh, I see some sort of pattern:</span><br />
Children, in order of birth:<br />
1) Catherine Ann Hurst (presumably named after James' mom, Catherine O'Neill)<br />
2) Bridget Ann Hurst (named after Mary Ann's mom, Bridget Welsch)<br />
3) Ellen Maria Hurst (??? see below...; Maria possibly naming her after mother Mary Ann Walsh)<br />
4) Adeline Mary Hurst (?? Ellen died as a baby before Adeline was born; perhaps Mary again for her mother?)<br />
5) Ella Monica Hurst (??)<br />
6) Michael John Hurst (presumably named after both of their fathers, Michael Hurst and John Walsh)<br />
7) Henry Leo Patrick Hurst (??)<br />
8) James Sylvester Hurst (named for his father, James)<br />
9) Thomas Vincent Hurst (??)<br />
10) Joseph Parker Hurst (??)<br />
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The downfall of this formula is I do not have a confirmed list of all siblings of Mary Ann Walsh nor of James Hurst. I do, however, know that James likely had a sister who married a man by the name of Rice. Looking at the "pattern" compared to the actual known names, there seems to be somewhat of a pattern but backwards in a way as far as which parent's father's name was given to a child first. The third of each gender does appear to be named after the parent of the corresponding gender. Beyond that there are a bunch of names that look unfamiliar- likely because of lack of info on siblings.<br />
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So, I took to the records. As I mentioned, the records are incomplete.. it seems that for most areas of Co. Mayo, the earliest records either start in 1840 or 1864 (of those that are online- I am not sure, but hoping that older records still exist somewhere). I thought, though, that maybe by that time period, there might be a record of deaths for either of Jameses parents, considering they both supposedly stayed in Ireland and died there.<br />
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I found an interesting death rec for a Catherine Hurst d. 17 Feb 1881 in Druminahaha, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo. She is listed as a widow, aged 68, and the informant is the "householder" named Ellen Rice, of Druminahaha. Hmm.. Hurst and Rice on the same record, in Co. Mayo. Could Ellen be Catherine's daughter? Maybe.. but wouldn't the "Relationship" field state daughter instead of householder? Perhaps being the householder was a more important notation. But the name Ellen.. that's the name of the third daughter of James and Mary Ann (Walsh) Hurst.. and the pattern was somewhat backward, so could Ellen by James' older sister? I can't get caught up in the "naming pattern" since that is not 100% reliable.<br />
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Is this record definitely James' mother and sister? It could be, but it could also NOT be. I don't have enough evidence.<br />
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So, I looked further to see if I could find any "Ellen Hurst" in this area, marrying a man by the name of Rice. I didn't find a marriage record. But, I found a lot of birth and baptismal records for children of a John Rice/Ryce and his wife Elen/Ellen HURST, in Islandeady. Importantly, they have two kids specifically who might be matches for the nieces listed as living with James Hurst in 1880 in Wisconsin. Here are, in order, the births/baptisms I found, for kids born to John Rice and Ellen Hurst (all the same unless otherwise noted):<br />
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1) James Ryce bap 8 Aug 1858 Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo, sponsors <b>Peter Gavin</b> and Mary <b>O'Neal</b><br />
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2) **Mary Ryce bap. 4 Sep <b>1859</b> Islandeady RC Parish, Co. Mayo, sponsors Owen Lawless & Barbara Flyn [sic]<br />
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3) Bridget Rice bap. 23 Nov 1861 Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo, sponsors <b><u>James Hurst</u></b> and Mary McNealy<br />
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3) **Bridget Rice bap. 28 Nov 1862 Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo, sponsors Patrick Hurst and Cecelia Stephens<br />
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4) Catherine Rice b. 12 Feb 1865 Derrycooraun, Islandeady District, Co. Mayo<br />
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5) Ellen Rice b. 27 May 1867 Driminaha, Islandeady District, Co. Mayo<br />
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6) Honor Rice (female) b. 4 Sept 1869 Driminaha, Islandeady District, Co. Mayo<br />
-(same person) Honor Rice b. 5 Sept 1869 Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo (address Derecourane); sponsors Edward Gillen & Bridget Mulloy<br />
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7) Michael Rice b. 2 Nov 1871 Driminaha, Islandeady District, Co. Mayo<br />
-(same person) Michael Rice bap. 24 Oct 1871 Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo (address Derecoraun); sponsors Michael Gibbons & Catherine <b>O'Neal</b><br />
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8) Anne Rice b. 9 Dec 1873 Driminaha, Islandeady District, Co. Mayo<br />
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9) John Rice b. 31 Dec 1875 Driminahaha, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo parents John Rice and Ellen Hart [possibly a transcription error- address & other info match).<br />
-(same person, presumably dates mixed up?) John Rice bap. 17 Dec 1875 Islandeady RC parish, Co.<br />
Mayo; parents John Ryce & Ellen Hurst; sponsors Thomas Ryce & Bridget Mylott<br />
-(a record for this same birth, found on familysearch.org lists John Rice's birthplace as Drimenahaha)<br />
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10) Patrick Rice b. 10 Jun 1878 Derrycowran, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo. (only found this one on familysearch.org)<br />
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11) Margaret Rice b. 26 Aug 1880 Driminahaha, Islandeady district, Co. Mayo. (only found this one on Familysearch.org)<br />
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Specific point: Common places mentioned: Derrycooraun, Derrycourane, and Drumminahaha are all within (according to a map) a quarter mile or less of one another. They are slightly north of the town of Islandeady.<br />
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Important highlights:<br />
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1) A sponsor named James Hurst in 1861 and no other year. My James Hurst supposedly immigrated around 1862.<br />
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2) The two girls of the same age (Mary, b. 1859) and similar age (Bridget, b. 1862) as the girls listed as nieces of James Hurst in 1880 in Wisconsin<br />
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3) The family names of the sponsors- quite a few Rices, several O'Neals and a couple of Hursts (Patrick and James).<br />
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4) The name Peter Gavin. My grandmother (whose great-grandfather is James Hurst) matched, on DNA testing, within ~4th cousin range of a woman whose great-great-grandfather's name was Richard Gavin of the Castlebar, Co. Mayo area. Richard's wife's name is Eleanor Rice. Richard was baptised in 1861 in... Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo, and his parents were Thomas Gavin and Cecily Cauly; sponsors James Ryce and Mary Gavin. Thomas and Cecily were married 31 Jan 1857 in Islandeady RC parish, Co. Mayo, sponsors James Ryce and Barbara Scoot.<br />
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So, is there some sort of tie between this James Ryce and John Ryce/Rice? Is there a tie between these Gavins, Peter and Thomas, and my Hursts? Is Ellen Hurst above the sister of my James Hurst? I don't have enough info to prove this yet but it's looking pretty promising.<br />
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An addendum:<br />
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Griffiths Valuation for Derrycooraun, Islandeady Parish, shows many of these names of those on the baptismal records, living close together:<br />
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Thomas, John, and Austin Gavin; Mylott, Lawless, Gibbons, Malley (Mulloy), James Rice, John Rice<br />
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I can't quite add everything to my genealogy because it's not all connected yet, so I'm going to add more records here as I find them:<br />
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">25 Aug 1945</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Chicago, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Female</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Age:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">71</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birth Year (Estimated):</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">1874</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birth Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">12 May 1874</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Co. Mayo, Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQNP-D3T" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">John Rice</a></td></tr>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQNP-D3Y" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Ellen Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Co. Mayo, Ireland</td></tr>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Residence Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Chicago, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Spouse's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQNP-D3B" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Richard Gavin</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Burial Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">29 Aug 1945</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Burial Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Proviso Township, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
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<span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A4152319" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">4152319</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">1454 ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">GS Film number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1983367" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">1983367</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Reference ID:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">rn 24257</span></div>
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(for Ellen, all census records indicate she was born ca. 1868-1869. Her death rec is the only one that mentions 1874. She therefore fits with the Ellen mentioned at the top as being born in Druminahaha).<br />
Find a grave for Ellen:<br />
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=107219630&ref=acom<br />
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I found this, not sure if this is the right Mary or not?<br />
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">, Cook, Illinois, United States</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Address:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">1905 Burling St.</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Female</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Age:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">51</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Marital Status:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Married</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Ethnicity:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">American</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Race:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">White</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Occupation:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Housewife</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birth Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">18 Dec 1861</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Burial Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">14 Sep 1913</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Cemetery:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">St. Boniface</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7NG-B7X" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">John Rice</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7NG-B7F" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Ellen Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Record Number:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">925</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Source Reference:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">cn 25503</td></tr>
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<span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">GS Film Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1287710" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">1287710</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">004005103 ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">00930</span></div>
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James Hurst possible nephew of my James Hurst.<br />
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N34Q-9QB" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">James Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">30 Dec 1923</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Chicago, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Male</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Age:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">55</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birth Year (Estimated):</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">1868</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birth Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">01 Mar 1868</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Co. Mayo, Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N34Q-9Q1" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Patrick Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Co. Mayo, Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N34Q-97M" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Ellen Corcoran</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Birthplace:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Co. Mayo, Ireland</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Residence Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Chicago, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Spouse's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N34Q-979" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Rose Dunn Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Burial Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">04 Jan 1924</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Cemetery:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Mt. Carmel</td></tr>
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<span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A4205897" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">4205897</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">1049 ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">GS Film number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1877424" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">1877424</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Reference ID:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">rn 33464</span></div>
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Michael Hurst possible nephew of my James Hurst<br />
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7M6-FHS" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Michael Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">02 Jan 1929</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Chicago, Cook, Illinois</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;">Male</td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Father's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7M6-FH3" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Patrick Hurst</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Mother's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: #e1e1e0; border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7M6-FHQ" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Ellen Garcian</a></td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 4px 0px 0px 4px; color: #666662; padding: 5px 10px; width: 220px;">Spouse's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border-radius: 0px 4px 4px 0px; padding: 5px 10px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7M6-FH7" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">Mary Ruan</a></td></tr>
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<span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A4153211" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">4153211</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;">267 ,</span> <span class="record-label" style="color: #676762; padding-right: 8px;">GS Film number:</span> <span class="record-value" style="font-weight: bold; padding-right: 8px;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1892231" style="color: #8c0e4c; text-decoration: none;">1892231</a></span></div>
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Church recs from Holy Name Cathedral, State St., Chicago, Illinois.<br />
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QVMN-B2WX">Michael Hurst</a> </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Type:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Marriage </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">14 Feb 1893 </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Male </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Spouse's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QVMN-B2WF">Mary Ruane</a> </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Spouse's Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Female </td></tr>
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<span class="record-label">GS Film Number:</span> <span class="record-value"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A001578586">001578586</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A004284435">004284435</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value"> 00430</span></div>
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<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QVMN-BK72">Richard Gavin</a> </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Type:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Marriage </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Date:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">25 Jun 1890 </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Event Place:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Male </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Spouse's Name:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QVMN-BK7L">Ellen Rice</a> </td></tr>
<tr class="result-item "><td class="result-label" scope="row">Spouse's Gender:</td><td class="result-value" colspan="4">Female </td></tr>
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<span class="record-label">GS Film Number:</span> <span class="record-value"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A001578586">001578586</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label">Digital Folder Number:</span> <span class="record-value"><a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A004284435">004284435</a> ,</span> <span class="record-label">Image Number:</span> <span class="record-value"> 00398 </span></div>
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Naturalization record of Michael Hurst, with a witness of James Ryce:<br />
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<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-73665604104854805152015-01-25T20:47:00.001-08:002015-01-25T20:47:10.675-08:00Family History SurveysWhew...well, another year escapes me. Sometimes I get so busy chasing research (and with real life, too) that I don't give as much attention to this blog as I should.. I'm hoping to change that, with a couple upcoming posts.<br />
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I had a project in mind for several years and I decided to make this the year that I get around to implementing it. I have often thought about how many questions I have for my living relatives and how to get this in a simple format, and most importantly, all in one place. Too often, phone calls or other conversations are placed on note paper and scattered all over throughout my boxes of documentation. What I have had in mind is the development of a Family History Survey which allowed me to combine all of my important questions for my relatives, into one place.<br />
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I had already thought of quite a few questions I wanted to include, it just took some mental prep to sit down and type it all out. After I typed my questions, I searched on Google for any other such family history surveys, to compare my questions and see if there was anything major I was missing from the questions I had prepared myself. I was surprised to find very few of them out there. I found the following to be useful:<br />
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865595932/Genealogy-150-questions-to-ask-family-members-about-their-lives.html?pg=all#3VUqrVhXZX8JqiJe.32<br />
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and<br />
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http://genealogy.about.com/cs/oralhistory/a/interview.htm<br />
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The problem I found with some is that they were getting to be too long. I want all of my relatives- from my older relatives who have difficulty writing much at a time; to my busy younger relatives who are always on the go- to see the survey and think it is something they have the time and ability to do.<br />
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The other problem was that I had SO many questions I wanted to ask. It is a challenge to keep the survey short but also keep it to a length that gives you the information you most want to document about your relatives' lives.<br />
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Once I had settled on the questions I wanted to ask, I then began to organize them into categories: Questions about the individual; Questions about their memories and knowledge of their immediate family; and questions about their knowledge and memories about their extended family. The "Individual" category has a sub-category regarding marriage and children, for those whom it applied to.<br />
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After checking and rechecking to make sure the questions were worded correctly and there were no spelling errors, I then set about placing enough space after each question to that it could be answered adequately. Finally, my survey was nearing completion.<br />
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I then put together a letter to precede the survey. This would explain to my relatives what I had sent them and why. Below is an excerpt of my letter:<br />
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"I am sending, in this packet, a series
of questions meant to help me understand more about you, and about
our family in general. Many of the questions are open-ended, to
encourage you to provide as much detail as you would like in
answering them. If you run out of space, feel free to use the back of
each page. I have included extra paper should you wish to expand
further. Please provide as much information and detail as you can.
The more information you provide, the more you help to preserve our
shared family history.<br />
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I am also including packets for aunts
and uncles married into the family, because in addition to having an
impact on my life, your story is also important to the overall story
of our shared family, your descendants.</div>
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It is very important to me that you
complete this questionnaire, as it will help us all understand more
about our family. I may already know the answers to some of these
questions, but please answer them anyway. This survey provides a way
for me to formally document these aspects of your life. While it may
look long, I have chosen each of these questions carefully to create
a complete picture of who you are, and to document your memories of
the past.</div>
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Please write as clearly as you can,
and use a pen if possible. I have included an envelope to make it
easier for you to send your responses back to me. If you are inclined
to do so, you may answer digitally as well via email. Please know
that I do not intend to publish this information publicly but that it
will instead be available within our family. If there is anything you
wish to remain completely private (i.e., only I would see it), please
specify.</div>
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Please let me know if you have any
questions. Thank you very much for taking the time to fill this out!"</div>
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After this was done, I began printing and assembling my packet. In addition to the letter and the survey, I also included an extra manila envelope to help encourage responses and cut down on costs to my interviewees. Everything was packaged up and taken to the post office. </div>
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Below is the final version of my questions (I removed my spacing so as to not stretch out this post):</div>
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<i><u><b>Part I: You</b></u></i></div>
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Your full name:</div>
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Date and place of birth:</div>
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Were you named after someone else? Who?</div>
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Where/when you were baptized?</div>
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What is your earliest memory?
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What schools did you attend when you
were younger, and where were they? Elementary, High School, College,
etc.</div>
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If you attended college, what did you
major in?</div>
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Did you participate in any
extra-curricular activities/sports/clubs when you were in school?
What were they?</div>
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What is your profession, and what
motivated you to join that line of work?</div>
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Where do you work/ where have you
worked in the past? When?</div>
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Do you- or did you when you were
younger- have any hobbies or special interests? Please describe them.</div>
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What is your favorite book?</div>
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What is your favorite color?
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What music did you enjoy when you were
younger? Now?</div>
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What is your favorite memory from when
you were growing up?</div>
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Who were your playmates or friends when
you were growing up?
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Did you travel when you were young? On
summer breaks from school? If so, where?</div>
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Did you serve in the military? Please
describe your service. What unit did you serve in? Where did you
serve?
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Where/when did you learn to drive a
car? Who taught you?</div>
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Were you ever mentioned in a newspaper?</div>
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Who did you most admire when you were
young? Why?</div>
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Who do you think had the greatest
impact on shaping you into the person you are today and why?</div>
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What did you aspire to do or be when
you were growing up?</div>
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Have you ever belonged to any
organizations or groups? Which ones?
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Do you have a philosophy of life you
live by? Please describe.</div>
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Do you have religious leanings or
beliefs? Please describe them.</div>
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Have you ever received any awards or
honors? Please describe.</div>
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What do you consider to be your
greatest achievement in your life thus far?</div>
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What do you most want to be remembered
for by your descendants/other relatives?</div>
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What memories do you have of current
events you have lived through (Great Depression, wars,
assassinations, presidential elections, civil rights, other important
national or international events)?</div>
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In your opinion, what are the greatest
inventions or advances made by humanity during your lifetime? The
worst?</div>
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How would you say the world has changed
since you were young?
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Do you remember your first contact with
newer technologies (radio, tv, COLOR tv, computers)? Describe. When
did your family first obtain these items?</div>
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<b> </b><u><b>Marrriage
(if applicable):</b></u></div>
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Where and how did you meet your
eventual spouse(s)?
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Describe your first date(s):</div>
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Who proposed? How?</div>
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Who were the members of your wedding
party?
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Where was your first apartment/home
together? Did you move during your married life? If so where and why?
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How/why did you choose the names you
did for your child(ren)?
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What values did you try to establish
when raising your child(ren)?</div>
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What do you think is the key to a
successful marriage?
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<i><u><b>Part II: Your Family</b></u></i></div>
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Describe the house(s) you lived in
while growing up.</div>
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Did your family move around when you
were young? If so, where and when?</div>
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Growing up, did your family live near
other family members? Who?</div>
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When you were growing up, did your
family have any special traditions (on holidays, birthdays, other
special times of the year, etc.)? What were they?</div>
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Describe a typical family dinner from
when you were growing up. Who cooked? What kinds of food did you
usually eat?</div>
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When you were growing up, did you
mother/family have any traditional foods/recipes? What were they? Do
you mind sharing them with me?</div>
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Did your family attend family reunions?
Picnics? Other special gatherings with family?
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What activities did your family do
together?</div>
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What did your father do for a living?</div>
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What did your mother do for a living?
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What is your favorite memory of your
mother? What was she like?
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What is your favorite memory of your
father? What was he like?</div>
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Please describe any other memories of
your parents that you wish to share:</div>
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What hobbies or interests did your
father have?
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What hobbies or interests did your
mother have?</div>
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What were your parents' political
beliefs?</div>
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Of all of the things you learned from
your parents (or other family members) what do you feel was most
important?
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<i><u><b>Part III: Extended Family</b></u></i></div>
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Have you noticed that any particular
traits or characteristics run in the family? Describe them.</div>
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Growing up, did you know and/or spend
time with your cousins? Which ones? What would you do together?
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Who was the oldest relative you
remember knowing or knowing about? Please describe.
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Did you know your maternal
grandparents? If so, what memories do you have of your maternal
grandparents? What were they like?</div>
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Did you know your paternal
grandparents? If so, what memories do you have of your paternal
grandparents? What were they like?
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Did you know your great-grandparents on
either side? If so, who?
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If you didn't know your
great-grandparents, did you ever hear stories about them? What did
you hear?</div>
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Did your grandparents or
great-grandparents ever tell you any stories? What were they?</div>
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Did your grandparents ever tell you
stories about their parents? What were they?</div>
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Did you ever hear any stories about the
origins of certain family names or ancestors in your family? Explain.</div>
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Did you ever hear any stories about
famous/infamous ancestors in your family tree? Explain.</div>
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Are there any special heirlooms that
have been passed down in your family such as photos, bibles, or other
objects? Please describe.
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Did your family keep in touch with any
distant relatives? Do you still? Who are/were they? Do you still have
any old correspondence saved? </div>
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Enjoy! I hope to be posting again soon!</div>
jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-44303636351383682392014-02-09T15:17:00.001-08:002014-09-12T10:34:50.906-07:002014: Year of the Crumbling Family Mysteries? + My Brick Walls (v. long post ahead)<br />
It's been a while since I've written but I'm just now getting some time to write about my recent discoveries. I have had some luck lately when it comes to some of the mysteries that exist in my family.<br />
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<b><i>Georg Brandmueller</i></b><br />
The first was that of Georg Brandmueller. Born in Steudach, Bavaria, Georg emigrated to Baltimore in 1847 and a year later married Johanna Hoeninger. They raised a family in Baltimore, amid some issues due to apparent mental instability of Johanna. She died in 1865 and in 1870, Georg shows up in Springfield, Dane Co., Wisconsin living near his half sister, Anna Margaretha Brandmueller Weller. Living with him is his son John, but it is uncertain where his daughter Margaretha is at this time.<br />
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After 1870 I had been unable to find Georg in any records. Shortly after this, the Wellers moved to Waseca, MN, and he is not living with his daughter Margaretha in 1880. He is also not living with his son John Martin. The church in Springfield had no record of Georg dying or otherwise being present. I had thought that perhaps Georg moved to Milwaukee, where his son ended up, but could find no evidence of this.<br />
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This past December, I discovered the bounty that is Probate records. I had never had the chance to delve into Dane County probate records before, but on this trip I looked in the index and found a few interesting names. On a whim, I decided to look at the index to see if there was a listing for Georg, even though I had found no evidence that he died in Dane County... to my amazement, there he was. The Archives room was silent and I had to try pretty hard to contain my excitement. I ordered the file and waited patiently.. Inside I found some interesting documents.<br />
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The very first page included a handwritten notice, stating that Georg Brandmueller had died 26 June 1874 (AHA!), leaving no will. It further states that he died "without leaving a widow or children of legal age to administer his Estate." (This is curious because his daughter Margaret was 24 at this time, so I'm not sure what the legal age was back then) A man named John Schurz was submitting this document to appeal for role of administrator of the estate, as he was already Georg Brandmueller's creditor.<br />
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John Schurz was approved as the administrator, and interestingly, the men who helped him appraise the estate included George Weller, Georg's brother-in-law. Georg left very few possessions, most of them relating to his business of shoemaking and repair.<br />
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My next step was- well, where was he buried? I still haven't answered that. I thought that perhaps there might be an obituary in a local paper, although I wasn't sure because obits were not very common in the 1870s. I checked the German language paper for Madison (the Wisconsin Botschafter- which is indexed under Monroe, WI, instead of Madison for some reason). I did find a very short notice, and what it said in the 2-3 sentences was very shocking. It mentioned that a shoemaker by the name Brandmueller had killed himself by cutting his wrists, and that there had been similar previous issues with his wife. It also stated that he left behind two children.<br />
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In that time period, the Catholic church very strongly frowned upon those who killed themselves, so much so that they were not permitted to be buried on consecrated ground. No wonder there was no record of his burial at the church, because there was no way he would have been buried there. Because of how little money he had, I doubt that where ever he was buried, was marked. So it seems that I may never find his final resting place. There are many small cemeteries in the area of Springfield/Corners and Martinsville, and I tried looking through most of them at one point several years ago, not having any success. This may just be the final mystery of Georg, figuring out where he was buried, and unfortunately no one living may have the answer to that.<br />
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<b><i>Everett Elisha Reynolds</i></b><br />
The next mystery was that of my ancestor Everett Elisha Reynolds, another shoemaker, who appears to have been quite a colorful character. Everett was born in 1847 in North Bridgewater, MA, and moved with his family at a young age to Caribou, Aroostook Co., ME. He married in 1869, had several children. His wife died 7 years later, and most of the children died young (only one lived to adulthood). A few years after the death of his wife, Everett appears in Wisconsin, marries Catherine McConnell, and has three children (including my ancestor Alex Reynolds).<br />
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Around the time of the birth of the third child, Everett disappears from Wisconsin, leaving behind his family. There is an article written about 25 years later stating that he traveled to California, Scotland and several other places, and then appears in Massachusetts where he finds an old plow and tows it all the way home to his folks' place in Caribou, ME. The article mentions that much of the information they have is from a diary which belonged to Everett. Everett next appears in census records in Hartford and Canton, Maine, but is not present on the 1930 census.<br />
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After this time I was unable to determine where or when Everett lived and died. He had a gravestone next to his first wife in Green Ridge Cemetery, but there was no death date on the stone, indicating he may not be buried there. The gravestone did have an I.O.O.F symbol on it, so I decided to contact the Maine organization to see if they had any records of former members. I had tried this several years ago and gotten no response, but this year I received a response almost immediately, that they would look into it and let me know. They determined that there was an Everett Reynolds who died in Canton around that time, but the information from their records didn't list an exact death date.<br />
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I contacted the Town of Canton office to see if they could help. A couple of weeks later, I received a certified copy in the mail: They found that Everett had actually died 7 April 1937 (in Canton), making him almost 90 years old! The death record did list his parents so I could make sure it was actually him, and lucky for me it listed his burial location. I couldn't be more happy to have solved yet another mystery!<br />
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<b><i>Remaining Mystery</i></b><br />
Despite having finally determined where and when Everett Elisha Reynolds died, there are still a lot of questions- why did he leave Wisconsin? Why didn't he come back to his family? Or did he? I haven't found him in the 1900 census yet. The biggest question I have, and which I think could answer a lot more questions, is where on earth is that diary of his? Does it still exist, and does it include information on why he left his Wisconsin family behind?<br />
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I have sent many queries over the years to various historical societies, hoping to locate the diary (or at least, if it doesn't exist anymore, to gain that knowledge). The new death information caused me to revisit everything I knew about Everett. As such an elusive and colorful ancestor, I have spent a lot of time tracking as much information down about him as I can. I had found a newspaper article from 1926 which was written by O.B. Griffin, which details Everett's biography and the story of bringing the plow back to Caribou. It [in]conveniently mentions nothing about his connections to Wisconsin.<br />
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The plow had been donated to the Caribou Historical Society eventually. I had contacted them and they had sent me photocopies of various articles and other things which related to the plow or the Reynolds family, and one of them was a typescript copy from the 1980s which was written by a Stacy Griffin and mentioned that he was transcribing directly from the diary. So, it seems that the diary was still around in the mid-1980s... but what about now? I kept looking at this photocopies and then tried to determine what the relationship is between O.B. Griffin, author of the original story, and Stacy Griffin, author of a later typescript. It turns out they were father and son.<br />
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All of a sudden wheels started turning-- if O.B. was writing a detailed account of information from this diary in 1926 and 60 years later, his son was transcribing information from the same diary... could it be possible that the Griffin family has this diary, or knows where it may be? I rushed to contact my acquaintance, Jim, who lives in the Caribou area, as it is a lowly populated area and I figured he might know of Stacy Griffin or other Griffin relatives. He did know of a nephew of Stacy, who I called about two weeks ago. He did not personally know anything about the diary, but he stated that he knew of two people who may have some idea of it. I am waiting now to hear back from him, but am very excited to perhaps being close to solving yet another mystery. Even if it turns out that the diary was destroyed and no longer exists, at least I will have that peace of mind. I do hope that the diary, or perhaps a full transcription, may reside within the Griffin family, and am looking forward to trying to find out for sure.<br />
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<b><i>My Other Brick Walls & Mysteries</i></b><br />
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<b><u>Johann Diebold:</u></b><br />
Where was Johann/John Diebold born, and who were his parents? His death record states that the names of his parents were Joseph and Margaret Diebold, with no maiden name listed for his mother. There is no town of birth listed. Various census records indicate he was born in the Alsace region of France/Germany. His death notice written by his wife Adelheid, states only that he was born in "Elsass-Zabern," or Alsace-Saverne, on the 18th of July, 1828. A recently discovered 1860 census for him in New York states that he was born in "Strasburg" or Strasbourg as it is written today.<br />
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The nice thing about this region of the cities of Strasbourg and Saverne is that the records appear to all be online (http://www.archivosgenbriand.com/index_english.html). The bad thing is, Johann does not appear to have been born in either of those cities directly, but perhaps in a local village or neighboring town. I have spent a long time looking through towns from the Bas-Rhin region on that site, finding various scatterings of Diebolds in the records- but no Johann so far. What to do? Look through records for every village, town and city in the Bas-Rhin region and hope I find him??<br />
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<b><u>Wilhelmine Hammel:</u></b><br />
According to her death record, Wilhelmine Hammel Liebenow was born 30 January 1830 in Germany. There was no place name listed. Her parents were listed as Gottfried and Louisa Hammel. What seems apparent is that she and Christian Liebenow were married in Germany, as their son Ferdinand Liebenow was born in Blumberg, Brandenburg, Germany. Christian was born in Passow, which is relatively close to Blumberg, and my guess would therefore be that Wilhelmine was born in Blumberg and that they were married in Blumberg as well. This is based on the tradition of the man marrying the woman at her home church, and then staying in her home town to raise their children. Because this is just speculation, I will need to prove this. I have not been sure where to begin looking and will need to research specific Archives in the area which may hold the answer I'm looking for.<br />
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<b><u>Louis Hess:</u></b><br />
Louis Hess was born October 8th, 1851- but where? And who are his parents? All records indicate that he was born in Alsace-Lorraine. His death record lists a father, Killian Hess, born in France. Other than that, neither his naturalization record nor immigration record list a town of birth, making it pretty near impossible to determine where to look for a birth record and further search on his ancestry. Unless I look through every town in the Alsace region (http://www.archivosgenbriand.com/index_english.html) for a birth record for Louis. That would take a very long time to do.<br />
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<b><u>James Hurst:</u></b><br />
Where was he born? And, really, when? His death record states he was born 1 Sept 1832 in County Mayo, Ireland, but no town name is given. Every single census record has a different approximate birth year, including- 1833, 1834, 1836, and 1840. The 1900 census even states he was born in May of 1837- so which is it? I haven't begun to look in Ireland for records, as I haven't determined where to even start. The nice thing is, his death record lists his parents as Michael Hurst and Catherine O'Neill, if we can trust that in the light of all of the mixed up potential years and dates of birth.<br />
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<b><u>John Mayville:</u></b><br />
We have DNA evidence which links me and my Mayville line to the immigrant ancestor, Pierre Miville, who was born in Switzerland in the early 17th century. Based on various DNA evidence, we have been linked to Pierre's son Jacques and his wife, Marie Catharine De Baillon (a Filles du Roi). The problem is we have never found definitive evidence of who the parents of John Mayville (b. ca. 1790-1792 according to census records) are. My fellow Miville descendant, Carroll, has spent a long time researching the French Canadians and concluded that based his information, our John Mayville is likely the son of Jean Minville and Marie-Veronique Richard.<br />
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Since that original DNA test several years ago, DNA testing has gotten more advanced. Through Ancestry DNA, my grandfather Mayville has taken the test and his DNA has matched closely with others who appear to be descended from Marie-Veronique's parents and grandparents, as well as several who are descended from Jean Minville's mother (Marie-Jeanne Fache)'s parents. Is this definitive proof? Not for me. Anyone can have anything in their family tree, and with how much intermarrying occurred in French Canada, it is sure possible that regardless of my actual lineage, we would match closely with some of these same individuals based on that fact alone. The DNA testing has given me good hope that our belief in John Mayville's parentage is correct, however, I still need hard evidence.<br />
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The issue here is I still have not been able to determine when or where John Mayville died. It is believed he died in the DePere or Wrightstown area where he had a farm, but I've found no death record, no death date, and nothing to go off of. The last record I have of him is on 23 Dec 1867 when he and his wife Susan deed land to their daughter Rebecca and her husband George Bowers. John Mayville does not appear on the 1870 census, as far as I have been able to find, making it likely that he died shortly after ridding himself of the land in December of 1867.<br />
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Going back further, we have not yet found records (church or otherwise) for the marriage of John Mayville and Susan Reynolds, nor for the births of their children, in Vermont. John was certainly born in Canada, and he first appears on tax rolls in Swanton, Vermont, from 1819 to 1823. Susan's father, Silas, also appears in tax rolls around the same time period, making it likely that they were married in Swanton. However, I still need to find record of that. In 1836 John is given land in Highgate, Vermont. Both of these towns are relatively close to the border with Canada, and the family appears to have moved back and forth between the two towns rather fluidly.<br />
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So, I still need to find record of both John Mayville's marriage and death, and I would like to find birth records for their children, if possible.<br />
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<b><u>Alex McConnell:</u></b><br />
According to his death record, Alexander McConnell, a prominent businessman in the Jefferson (WI) area, was born on June 8th in 1824, in Perry County, Pennsylvania. There are no parents' names listed. The problem is I cannot find a birth record, and the only Historical Society in the area of Perry County requires $50 for a short search of their records. So far I haven't determined that to be an amount of money I can afford for what would be a search with possibly no results. I would like to track down local churches in the area and see if there is more information there, but have so far been unsuccessful as I do not know where to look for that information.<br />
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In Jefferson, it seems that Alex was a member of the Evangelical church, and I would like to look for records there which might hold more clues to Alex's ancestry, but I don't know if this church still exists, and where any possible records may be from this time period.<br />
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<b><u>Mary Ann McGee:</u></b><br />
According to her death record from Fond du Lac county, Wisconsin, Mary Ann McGee was born February 27, 1827 in Pompton Township, Passaic County, New Jersey. Her parents' names are not listed, but census records state that both her mother and father were born in New York. As has been so often the case on this list, I have not been able to find a birth record for Mary Ann in New Jersey, as I have not known what church to target to look for, and I am unfamiliar with research in New Jersey.<br />
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<b><u>Ernestine Schassow? Or Ulrith?:</u></b><br />
This seems to be the woman of a thousand names. The death record of her daughter, Augusta Koch Liebenow, states her name as Ernestine Schassow. On census records in Pennsylvania, however, her name appears to actually be Christina, and this is confirmed by her death record in Carrick, Allegheny Co., PA. This death record states she was born 25 August 1832.<br />
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A man who is related to me through her husband's family (the Koch family) was able to look at the records in Germany for the Koch family, and also sent me information on their marriage, which took place in Bagemuehl, a small town pretty close to Penkun, which is where her husband, Ernest Koch was born. This marriage record indicated that she was born in Bagemuehl.<br />
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From other information, I knew that the family belonged to Smithfield E.E. Lutheran church in the Pittsburgh area, and a man there sent me his transcription of her death record, which stated that in fact her maiden name was actually Ulrith, and that she was born in "Strsethof," Pomerania as he wrote it, although he noted that it was quite difficult to read. There is a town in West Pomerania that today is in Poland and is <span style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Strzeszów</span> (Stresow in German), but this place is relatively far from Bagemuehl where she was supposedly married to Ernest Koch. Because I couldn't see the record with my own eyes, I have to doubt this church record, or at least hold it to a different light, than the other evidence available.<br />
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The next step is to try to locate a birth/baptismal record for her in Germany (or Poland, as the case may be), but it is complicated by the fact that there are two possible maiden names for her (or perhaps one of them was another married name?). I have sent for the death records of her two sons to see if they may shed light on what her name really was.<br />
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<b><u>Peter Tice:</u></b><br />
Peter Tice has also been elusive. I have yet to prove who his parents were, as well as when and where he and his wife Elizabeth Romaine died. There is no definitive proof of his parentage. The only true record I have of him is of his marriage to Elizabeth Romaine on 28 Jan 1819. This marriage record does not list his parents. I have also not been able to determine when he died. There are several dates speculated, including that he died in Michigan in 1855, but the obituary for that person does not clearly match what is known about our Peter Tice. That, and he seems to be in Pompton, Passaic Co., NJ, still on the 1860 census. I have not found evidence that he followed his son Ralph to Wisconsin, so it seems likely that he may have died in New Jersey.<br />
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Another source has speculated that he died in 1863, however this will does not mention either of his first three known children, John, Letitia and Ralph Tice, only those who appear on later census records. This in itself raises suspicion of whether we have the right Peter Tice on those later census records, but again, it has been difficult to find records which support either an earlier or later death date.<br />
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An interesting factor is the recent DNA testing my grandmother underwent (her mother was Blanche Tice). She matched closely (supposedly in the range of 4th cousins), with a woman who descends from Anna Tice b. ca. 1763 and married a Ferris Doty. In the Tice Families in America book, the authors speculated, but could not prove, that Anna's parents were Hendrick Tysse and Fytje Vreeland. Also speculated was that she had a brother named Peter Tice, by the same parents. There is a record of a Peter Tice being born on 30 Jul 1796. There is no record of Anna Tice being born to Hendrick and Fytje, in fact, if she was born in 1763, that would be a whole 12 years before record of their first known child being born, in 1775. However, in that same church, there is a record for an Antje (Anna) Tysse being born 31 Jul 1766 to a Johannes and Maria Tysse. In speculation, this Johannes Tysse may have been a brother to Hendrick Tysse, making Anna b. 1766 the first cousin of Peter b. 1796- and if this indeed was able to be proven as my Peter Tice, then it would indeed fit with how closely my grandmother and this other woman have matched on the DNA site (4th cousin with 96% confidence).<br />
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Is there a record somewhere of Peter's death (and Elizabeth Romaine Tice's, too, for that matter)? Can that lead us to the names of his parents? At this point I'm running out of places to look, but also am unfamiliar with most resources in the New Jersey area.<br />
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<b><u>John & Bridget Walsh:</u></b><br />
I know virtually nothing about these two. They are the parents of my ancestor, Mary Ann Walsh Hurst. She was supposedly born in Galway, Ireland, but it is unclear if this was County Galway or the city of Galway. Making it more difficult is how ridiculously common her name is, coupled with the ridiculously commonplace names of her parents. The obvious starting point is locating her birth record in Ireland, but I do not know where or how to begin, so there isn't much to go from as far as determining more about John and Bridget Walsh. I have obtained death records for both of their other daughters who lived to adulthood, Anna Walsh Ryan and Bridget Walsh Busby, and they list their parents as unknown or as how I have written them- nobody seems to have known mother Bridget's maiden name.<br />
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Amazingly, there is a picture of Bridget from the early 1890s shortly before she died. But we know almost nothing about her. She died 12 April 1895 in Waunakee, and the death record indicates she was born in February of 1809 in Ireland, but no further information about where she was born nor who her parents were.<br />
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John is even less well known. The only information on him comes from his gravestone in St. Mary of the Lake cemetery, which stated that he was born in 1811 and died in 1878 (not lucky enough that the stone listed exact dates). I have tried contacting the church for information, as they should certainly have at least a burial date for him if not a more complete record, but so far they have been unwilling or unable to provide information on him. So, John Walsh, one of thousands with that same name, remains a complete mystery.<br />
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<b><u>Simon Walter / Walther:</u></b><br />
Where was Simon Walter born, and who were his parents? For a long time I knew virtually nothing about Simon other than his name (which seems to vary sometimes as Simeon (death record @ his German Ev. Lutheran church), Seaman (1860 census), and Samuel (1880 census)). I accidentally came across a findagrave record for him, stating he was buried in St. John's Lutheran Church's cemetery in Oak Creek, and soon contacted the church inquiring about records. I'm sure I've written about this in the past, but they allowed me to come in person to take a look at the church registers, and view Simon's death/burial record. This record provided a birth date of April 10, 1810, and stated that he was born in "Neubeuren bf. Wiesenfeld."<br />
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So what's the problem? Well... from every single person I've ever asked, German native or not, there doesn't seem to be a place called Neubeuren that exists near a place called Wiesenfeld. Scattered throughout Germany are a variety of towns called either Neubeuren, Wiesenfeld, or some variation of either name, but never are they near one another.<br />
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Further complicating this: I don't know what German state to even start looking in. Each census listed a different birth location for Simon. The 1860 census stated he was from Hanover, the 1870 census stated he was from Prussia, and the 1880 census stated he was from Bayern (Bavaria). I tried looking at old maps to see if any point any of these places really overlapped and I could find nothing (although I am certainly not an expert on mid-19th century Germany localities.<br />
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I could start asking Archives located near ever possible town named Neubeuren or Wiesenfeld, but most of them charge a fortune (thanks, dollar, for being worth so much less than the euro), so it isn't financially plausible to do that and hope I hit the right place. So if anyone has any suggestions on where this place could be, that would be very helpful.<br />
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<b><u><br /></u></b>jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-81554849086147265172013-09-10T19:46:00.000-07:002013-09-10T19:47:30.149-07:00Families of Orenhofen, Trier ; Other UpdatesWow I do get too carried away with real life sometimes. I was just noticing that my tree is about to hit 17,000 individuals, and that I had not updated this blog for some time. Of course I am still here and still working on my genealogy.<br />
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So far this year I have done quite a lot of research within two distinct areas. First, I worked on some Dane County families. It turns out my Diebold and Annen lines, combined with the Starck line which moved to Madison from the Milwaukee area, all have an extremely interesting interrelationship within Dane County. Once I got started on some of my Grass family line, who were then related to Essers, Fischenicks, Statz, and Wermuths and all sorts of others throughout Dane County. It was pretty amazing to realize just how close some of these people are related, even if they may not have known it at the time.<br />
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I also learned more about the Carpenter line which comes from the Grass family. Maria Katharina Grass married Johannes Carpenter and one of their sons, Lawrence, had owned much of the land which is now occupied by Madison West High School. Through newspaper articles I found that they sold most of the land for the school in the mid-1920s. Pretty neat little history lesson, and some of the articles I found contained photos. Lawrence is buried on the point of Resurrection cemetery which is nearest to Madison West. I wonder if they planned it that way.<br />
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My second big project lately is the main topic of this post, that of Orenhofen records. Towards the beginning of this year I decided to start filling in my Starck/Stark family tree more. I got the idea in my head that perhaps I might write a genealogy book on the family some day, so I wanted to work on finding as much information as I could on the Starck family.<br />
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One gap that I quickly identified was the family of Johann Stark (and his wife Mary Barbara Oppmann), who was the son of Matthias Stark and Margaretha Schmitz. I did not have much on his family, children or other descendants. I began working on the line and found they had moved to Rozellville/ Day township, Marathon county, Wisconsin. Online, I found the husband of one of Johann's descendants through his son Mathias Leon Stark. This cousin was able to provide me with a spreadsheet containing data from the Sister Barbara Stark genealogy. This was AMAZING! Ever since I had begun researching the Starck family, I had seen many references to the Sister Barbara Stark genealogy, but no one ever had the full genealogy online or otherwise if I contacted them. Sister Barbara completed this genealogy back in the early 1960s. It was really awesome to finally get ahold of some of this data, and the other great information he was willing to share.<br />
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The one amazing detail that gave a completely new perspective to my work was the information Sister Barbara had included on siblings of Margaret Schmitz, wife of Mathias Stark. She had included names and married names for the siblings, although not much more detail was included. This set me to work. One of the names was a Katharina Schmitz who had married a John Massino and moved to Madison, Wisconsin. It was easy for me to quickly locate her death record and information on her children, some of whom has lived their lives in Madison and others who had moved to Minnesota.<br />
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Another sister was Magdalena Schmitz, who had married a Theodor Heid and lived in Appleton. Here was the first inkling that this thing was much bigger than I had imagined, and that if I kept going it would really never stop. Theodor came from a town named Preist which is right near where Magdalena was born, in Orenhofen. One of their daughters married an Anthony Oppmann who was the brother to Mary Barbara Oppman (married to Johann Stark above).<br />
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Christian Schmitz was the brother to these sisters mentioned above. It turns out he ended up in Marathon Co. as had Johann Stark and the Oppmanns, and as it will be seen, another family (Kiefers).<br />
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At almost the same time I met, online, a descendant of Nicholas Stark and his second wife, Katherine Kiefer. Nicholas was the son of Johann Starck and Helena Mick. Before I met this cousin, I hadn't had much of anything for this second marriage. I had most of the information filled in for Nick's first marriage to Agnes Hagemann (whose father is my ancestor on another line) and had even found where Agnes was buried, in a parish in the Black Creek area of Outagamie County. Nick's descendant helped me fill in more gaps and also was able to send me some wonderful photos of his family and of his ancestors the Starks. Every time I find a new Stark picture it makes me really happy to see another face to put to a name I've spent so much time studying.<br />
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Anyway, the more of these branches I saw the closer the floodgates came to bursting. Across three main families I saw a big pattern emerging. I was working to prove that the siblings mentioned for Margaretha Schmitz were actually related. I was looking into the married-in families of Oppmann and Kiefer because it seemed the more I looked the more they seemed to keep marrying each other, and kept living near one another on various census records. The main pattern I was finding was: Orenhofen -->> Milwaukee/Oak Creek, Wisconsin -->> Appleton/Fox River Valley, Wisconsin -->> Marathon County, Wisconsin<br />
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Some offshoots moved to Marshfield and Madison, and a few of the younger generations ended up in Milwaukee or Chicago. But overall, those families were tightly associated with moves from one locale to the next.<br />
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I found that the Heids are buried next to the Starks in St. Joseph's Cemetery in Appleton. Also there is an Anton Schoenhofen who is apparently the son of one of the Micks.<br />
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This fascinated me, and I wondered- so, are there others? I sought to prove more relationships of people seen in the census, as well as close some holes in my genealogy. Such as, were my two women Mick ancestors related? I had always imagined that they were but had not been able to prove it. I also wanted to know if others from Orenhofen had immigrated and followed along with my ancestors' path through Wisconsin.<br />
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As part of this search I looked into the records for St. Edwards in Black Creek/Mackville/Center Township (where Agnes Hagemann Starck was buried) as I assumed the family [ies??] at some point had belonged. First I stumbled upon the cemetery itself, quite by accident, and found her grave as well as some possible relatives (that I have not proven yet, but including such names as Heid, Schmitz, etc.). I then visited the Green Bay Diocese and searched their microfilms of the church records themselves, for both St. Edward and for St. Joseph's in Appleton. I found many references to the different clans themselves, including, surprisingly, the Waldvogel family which would have been Agnes Hagemann Starck's step mother's parents (Konrad Waldvogel and Anna Maria Keller), who apparently were also part of the Milwaukee/Oak Creek, Wisconsin -->> Appleton/Fox River Valley, Wisconsin -->> Marathon County, Wisconsin migration (the Waldvogels and Hagemans were NOT from Trier, however)<br />
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The church records were useful in highlighting key parts of my research but I was still missing data that I was interested in.<br />
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Next was to look back in Germany. I knew the families were Catholic so I did some searching and found the Trier Bistumsarchiv which contains Catholic records for the Trier region of Germany, which is where Orenhofen and nearby towns are located. I found that the price was quite reasonable, about €15 or $20 for five records. They were able to confirm the siblings' names and birth dates which I had for Margaretha Schmitz, and they also helped me prove that my ancestors Catharina Mick (married Matthias Schmitz) and Helena Mick (Johann Stark) were in fact sisters. This was really amazing to finally find proof for!<br />
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Around this same time I had a great stroke of luck and was contacted by a distant relation who had found some of my work on find-a-grave. He is related through the Junk family on my mother's side, and lives in Germany. We discussed our related family and he also offered to help if there was anything I was curious about in Trier, as he has several resources available to him for that region. This was an extremely generous and kind offer on his part. Through the resources and Familienbuchs he has which are based on parish registers and other local data, he has helped me flesh out my Starck, Schmitz and Mick lines, and so much more! From the information he has sent me I have found more branches that emigrated to the United States (particularly to Wisconsin). Thanks to his gracious efforts, I now have solid lines back to the 18th and in some cases, 17th century Germany! It helped to show me that the Starcks and even some of the Schmitzes were involved in pipe baking/making since far before they came to the Milwaukee area and established their clay pipe making business there.<br />
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An interesting note on some information I found through this research: It turns out I have two Schmitz lines originating in the Orenhofen area. My main Schmitzes discussed above, and then also a Schmitz line through the Mick line. Father of my ancestors Catharina and Helena Mick was Johann Peter Mick, who was married to a Susanne Schmitz. Susanne's line is not as well drawn out in the records as most of the other Schmitzes from the area, so I do not know as much about her. However, her mother was Maria Magdalene Mischo, who was born 6 Nov 1740 in Schleidweiler (near Orenhofen). Her parents appear to have married in a very small village nearby called Muelchen or Multgen.<br />
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There was not much information in the Schleidweiler records regarding the Mischos so I turned to another resource I have for this area, Thomas Pick's work which is online (<a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pick">http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pick</a>). There I found a town of Multgen referenced and some records with the last name of Michau. I wondered if this might be the same general name as Mischo, and realized it did indeed sound a bit French. My German cousin was able to find reference to this town. It was founded by a group of ironworkers who around 1635 had been forced to leave their hometown of Mulgen in the Wallonia region of Belgium. They were mostly French-ancestried and were forced to leave because of a falling-out with their king (I have yet to find more on what or why this would be). I just found out this last bit of information so am still in the process of looking into the whole story, but it is very interesting, and the first hint of any Belgian ancestry for me. I do have French ancestors, but these are the first that I know of who lived in Belgium.jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-81322429252638597932013-01-29T21:00:00.000-08:002013-01-29T21:50:38.006-08:00Tips for the Beginner Genealogist<br />
I've recently spoken with several "newbies" to genealogy who have expressed in one way or another, that they just don't know <i>how</i> or <i>where</i> to start. I've also seen on sites such as Ancestry.com the explosion of new trees that can pop up almost over night from new genealogists eager to create a genealogy from the millions of records available to them on the internet, and in their haste, create mucked up genealogies that, when examined closely, don't seem to make too much sense. This is caused not by any ill will on their part, but rather lack of experience and an overwhelming amount of options available to them.<br />
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I am not an expert, but I have been doing this for about half of my short 24 years. But twelve years in genealogy has been long enough for me to pick up a few tricks and learn from my mistakes. Here is a synopsis of what I think is most important for a new genealogist to know. This is geared mostly towards online research but also includes some helpful "in person" research tips.<br />
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<li><u>Start with you, your parents, your siblings, your children, your grandparents. </u></li>
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<li><u>Interview other family members such as aunts and uncles, grandparents, etc. </u></li>
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<li><u>Record as many names, dates, and places as you can find out.</u></li>
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<li><u>Start out by confirming these names and dates in the places known. </u></li>
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<li><i>Seek out vital records offices or other repositories for birth, marriage and death records, in the area you are researching (i.e. Stuttgart, Germany or Dane County, Wisconsin)</i></li>
<li><i>Finding a birth or death record for great-grandpa can give you his wife's maiden name, his parents, his birth place, or much more information depending on the location and year of the event. Vital records can be the key to proving a specific relationship that you only suspected from viewing a census record online.</i></li>
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<b><i>II. Be very cautious about what you find</i></b></h3>
<ul>
<li><i><u>Use sources you can trust</u></i>. </li>
<ul>
<li><i>That genealogy you just found online has a GGG(great-great-great) grandfather listed that you didn't know anything about! Before you rush off to add the information to your genealogy, <b>SLOW DOWN</b>. Ask yourself if it makes sense - your GG grandfather was born in 1854, but the supposed GGG grandfather wasn't born until 1845? Was he really 9 years old when he had a child? Use what you know about this person to decide if the new information you have found is legitimate and belongs in your family tree.</i></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li><u>How do I <b>find</b> trustworthy sources?</u></li>
<ul>
<li><i>Look to any local repositories of vital records. In Madison, WI, we have the Vital Records office, the Wisconsin Historical Society, and the Dane County Court House </i></li>
<li><i>Find out what historical societies exist for the area you are researching. Most counties in the U.S. will have a genealogical/historical society dedicated to maintaining records and information for that particular area, and sometimes even surrounding areas. These can be invaluable to your search.</i></li>
<li><i>Searching online? Use established websites that have primary sources (records such as birth, marriage, death, census, etc.) that you know weren't invented or mis-typed by someone. Sites that have scanned millions of newspapers, such as newspaperarchive.com</i></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<i><br /></i></div>
<ul>
<li><u>Don't be fooled by that top 1860 census search result for "John Smith" in Boston </u></li>
<ul>
<li><i>All too often, new researchers will plug a name into the ancestry.com or familysearch.org search feature and click on the first link the comes up for the name "John Smith." Sometimes it is the right person, but sometimes it ISN'T. Again, use what you know. If John Smith's wife's name was Helen, but the census says it is Kate - is that right? Do the names of children match up with any children you know of? Double check everything with other sources before assuming it is correct and adding it to your tree. </i></li>
<li><i>This is particularly true when you're looking for someone with a common name like "John Smith." A less common name, take "Liebenow" for instance, won't score as many search results, and also is far more likely to be the person you are looking for. </i></li>
</ul>
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<i><b>III. Write everything down (and date it!)</b></i></h3>
<ul>
<li>Sometimes Grandma says something that doesn't quite fit with what you know about your great-aunt Sarah. Write it down. Sometimes you come across a short notation in an online forum that references someone you think <i>may</i> be related to you, but can't quite prove it right now. You never know when that little tidbit will become relevant and help to unlock a mystery months or years down the road.</li>
<ul>
<li><i>Really. You'll thank me later when you can't remember that random date Grandma mentioned ten years ago, and she's passed away.</i></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li>Dating your notes helps you track when you made certain progress in your research, or the last time you visited your local archive. It helps you keep track of where you've been and where you're going with your research.</li>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li>Keeping track of resources you have checked for a particular record can help you avoid running in circles. Say you have an elusive ancestor, "Simon Walter." You've checked the vital records index of Wisconsin, you've checked the newspapers for the area, you've checked the court house, you've checked a certain online resource, etc.: Document this so that two years later when you try again to search for Simon Walter, you know what you've tried already. It saves time and effort. </li>
</ul>
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<b><i>IV. Save everything.</i></b></h3>
<ul>
<li>Ok. Not <i>EVERYTHING</i>. But this goes along with item III above. Save the notes you take and the random bits you write down on napkins, scraps of paper, post-it notes. Save the documents you make copies of at the library. Save that copy of a birth record for someone you thought was related, but never found that connection.</li>
<ul>
<li><i>It often helps to combine those scraps of paper or random notes into one place. Re-write them all in a notebook or other trusted location. </i></li>
<ul>
<li>For example, Google Drive allows account users to create and store a variety of documents, such as word files and spreadsheets. This is currently a free service, and requires no downloads, etc. Just create a file and type in the information you'd like to save. </li>
</ul>
<li><i>Even if it doesn't seem relevant now, save that document or note you made. Many times have I come back to old notes and realized I now know where that person fits in! The more research you do, the more opportunity to make connections where you did not realize they could be made before. </i></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<b><i>V. Organize everything.</i></b></h3>
<ul>
<li><u>Find an effective method for saving and storing your notes, documents, and other things you acquire during your research. </u></li>
<ul>
<li>Some people find it helpful to have file folders in boxes, and label a folder for each topic, surname, or person - depending on the amount of information you have. Sometimes this isn't feasible, as there is an overlap between two families, a second cousin married his second cousin, etc. </li>
<li>There really is no perfect system, (or space conserving one!) but make sure to find a system that works for you and helps keep you (at least somewhat) organized. Organized notes and papers help you more easily find specific documents you may need to look back on later. </li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<b><i>VI. Save & cite references for specific information.</i></b></h3>
<ul>
<li><u>Saving and citing your references is important for many reasons:</u></li>
<ul>
<li><i>Avoids <b>COPYRIGHT ISSUES</b>. Books, newspapers, reference books, online webpages, personal genealogies you find online/elsewhere are all copyrighted or protected in some way.</i></li>
<ul>
<li>Taking information from one place and putting it in your tree without any reference to who or where you got it from is a form of copyright infringement. You are taking someone else's research or published work and claiming it as your own, which is illegal.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul><ul>
<li><i>Provides proof or evidence of where you received information in your tree/research, thus legitimizing your research and your information</i></li>
<ul>
<li>You don't want someone thinking you made all that up about great-great uncle Joe who was in the first modern Olympics, right? Save that source. Show it off. You <i>know</i> you have the right info, prove it!</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul><ul>
<li><i>Helps YOU later down the road. I can't tell you how many times I've looked at some of my early research and wondered, "where DID I get that birth date from?"</i></li>
<ul>
<li>This wastes your time as you search again through everything you already dug through to find out where exactly you found it</li>
<li>Yes, it is a pain to constantly stop and note where you're finding each bit of information. You're rushing through a family line, finding more and more information online and you're EXCITED! But trust me, you will want to know later where you found that obscure marriage date.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<u><br /></u>
<u>How do I reference what I find?</u></div>
<ul>
<li>References are most commonly classified as follows:</li>
<ul>
<li><b>Primary Sources:</b> Original, firsthand record of an event, <i>created at the time of the event</i>. </li>
<ul>
<li>Examples: Birth, Marriage, Death records. Other governmental records. A firsthand account written by your ancestor about his life.</li>
<ul>
<li>e.g. "My name is Jade Schmitt. Today I am departing my home town of Madison to move to Germany."</li>
</ul>
<li>Scientifically the most trustworthy documentation for your research.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul><ul>
<li><b>Secondary Sources:</b> Secondary evidence, such as a story passed down, an overview of an event, etc. <i>Created after the time of the event in question</i>.</li>
<ul>
<li>Examples: History books, reference books, articles that summarize a person's life, often written after the person is deceased.</li>
<ul>
<li>e.g. "Joe McDonald was born in 1826 in Ireland. He was married to a woman by the name of Lynch, and together they left the Emerald Isle for America in 1852. They settled on a farm near Blanchardville, Wisconsin, and raised a family. </li>
</ul>
<li>Typically less trustworthy than primary sources because of the lack of first-hand knowledge.</li>
<li>However: Many (in my experience) old books or newspaper articles were based on information provided by the family</li>
<ul>
<li>Example, the "History of Dane County, Wisconsin" will often contain biographical sketches of people that the author for some reason deemed prolific or important to the history of that area. The author often sought out the individual themself, or relative (if subject was deceased) and retrieved their information directly from them. This can change the validity of the information, especially if your ancestor's son had some faulty memory on dad's birth date.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul><ul><ul><ul>
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</ul>
<li><b>Tertiary Sources:</b> a condensed format such as an index or almanac, combining Primary and Secondary sources.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li><u>Write down the website, website link, name & date of publication, authors, and any page or volume numbers. Write down all relevant details if you are searching microfilm reels of birth records, for instance. </u></li>
<ul>
<li>For more on how to cite your sources, see sites like this: </li>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.archives.gov/research/genealogy/index.html">http://www.archives.gov/research/genealogy/index.html</a></li>
<li><a href="http://genealogy.about.com/od/citing/a/sources.htm">http://genealogy.about.com/od/citing/a/sources.htm</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.genealogy.com/19_wylie.html">http://www.genealogy.com/19_wylie.html</a></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li>PRINTING online sources is especially useful. Some websites or family trees eventually break or go offline for some reason - and you lose that source forever. Unless you've saved and documented what and where it was.</li>
</ul>
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<b><i>VII. Realize that you will NOT find everything online</i></b></h3>
<ul>
<li><u>There will come a time where you will realize that a lot of research can be done online now-a-days - but not everything.</u></li>
<ul>
<li>To make progress on your research you will have to tap into local, regional, or national resources. You'll have to visit the local court house, historical society, cemetery, etc., in order to find that piece of information that you need.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<b><i>VIII. Vital records were NOT required in most U.S. states until the 20th century!</i></b></h3>
<div>
<ul>
<li><u>This means the court house or vital records office in your locality <b>might not</b> have a governmentally recognized document proving a birth, marriage, death, divorce, etc. has taken place. They were not always recorded at the civil level before they were legally mandated state-by-state.</u></li>
<ul>
<li> For Wisconsin, for example, it was not required to report and record vital records until the fall of 1907. Prior to that, you just may not find a record for someone you KNOW, from every other source you can find, was born in Wisconsin</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li><u>What can you do? Seek out churches. Churches are often FANTASTIC sources for vital records</u>.</li>
<ul>
<li>The downside is that it is often difficult to determine denomination of your ancestors, and from there, what church they may have belonged to. The best you can do is go based on what you or grandma- or whatever family member- may know about the religion of a certain family. From there you can do research or ask historical societies in the area for information regarding churches in the area, if they still exist, if the records themselves still exist for the period you are interested in, and where the records are if the church no longer exists.</li>
<li>Different denominations have different policies, and often the policies are different between different churches. For instance, the Diocese of Green Bay allows you to search sacremental records in person and the Diocese of Milwaukee are willing to perform record searches for you; but the Diocese of Madison is completely opposed to in-person searches or genealogical requests submitted to the Diocese.</li>
<li> Church and civil records in certain regions of France are all online and available for perusal (<a href="http://www.archivosgenbriand.com/index_english.html">http://www.archivosgenbriand.com/index_english.html</a>), but other countries such as Germany are not as far along in digitization projects.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li><u>Newspapers are also valuable sources</u></li>
<ul>
<li>They often can provide names, dates, and other details that may not be readily available in birth, marriage or death records.</li>
<li>Finding an obituary can be extremely useful when you cannot find a death record for an ancestor. </li>
<li><a href="http://www.newspaperarchive.com/">http://www.newspaperarchive.com</a> is a great searchable database of newspapers, but does have a fee unless your local library has an agreement set up. For example, I have a library card in Madison. Through the South Central Library System, which Madison Public Libraries are a part of, there are a variety of genealogical resources available for no fee, including Heritage Quest and NewspaperArchive (See <a href="http://psw.scls.lib.wi.us/resources/">http://psw.scls.lib.wi.us/resources/</a> if you live in the area)</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<i><b>IX. Genealogy can be Expensive, but it doesn't have to break your budget!</b></i></h3>
<ul>
<li><u>Doing genealogical research, or at least doing it "right," can lead to many expenses. Paying for copies at the Historical Society, for 25 cents? Driving to an old cemetery two hours from your home in the middle of nowhere? Requesting research from a personal researcher in Germany? Paying for an "Ancestry.com" subscription to do more research?</u></li>
<ul>
<li>These are some examples of expenses incurred during research, and they can really add up. In many cases there are cheaper alternatives. Some ideas:</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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1. Instead of paying for copies, hand write everything, including notations if you aren't sure what a particular segment of the record says. Hand write source information, etc. </div>
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2. Instead of driving far from home when you don't have the resources, use sites such as <a href="http://www.findagrave.com/">http://www.findagrave.com</a> to locate volunteers who live closer and are able to visit a cemetery and take photos/find information for you.</div>
3. Make connections online in forums and on other websites with researchers who share common families with you. This can help when you decided that research in the "old country" is necessary to progress your research. These other researchers may be willing to split costs with you.<br />
4. Don't feel like you ever <b>NEED</b> to purchase a subscription to some fancy website that claims to have every record you'll ever need to find your ancestors. There are many free and valuable resources out there, whether online or otherwise. An example is <u>http://www.familysearch.org</u> which provides millions of records at no charge. Simply perform a "Google" search for free resources and you will find many available.<br />
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I may not have included everything that I know (in fact, I know I haven't). I will continue to update and edit this as need arises. Please let me know if there is a topic you'd like addressed.<br />
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<br />jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-25263445489563682692012-12-03T12:52:00.002-08:002013-01-12T13:44:55.605-08:00Useful Resource - North Dakota RecordsI thought I'd write quick about a resource I just discovered, one that could be useful for any others doing any research in North Dakota.<br />
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I've been searching for more information on my Irish families, because so far they've been a pretty solid brick wall. I've been tracking down the siblings of my ancestor, Mary Ann Walsh Hurst, in hopes of finding more back from them all as far as parents' names, etc. Mary Ann's sister Anna married Thomas F. Ryan. They lived in the Arlington/Lodi area of Wisconsin but their son Vincent Ryan became a Bishop out in North Dakota. I had located the burial location of Anna and Thomas as well as there daughters, but did not have an exact birth or death date for Anna. This could help me confirm her parents' names, particularly the maiden name of her (and Mary Ann's) mother.<br />
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Recently I made a trip to St. Patrick's Cemetery where the Ryans are buried. Sadly their gravestones provided no more insight into Anna's dates. I called the church today and the secretary I reached was extremely helpful and willing to look through the old books. She found Anna's funeral information from the church. This gave me an exact death date, and helped me understand why I couldn't find Anna's death record in Wisconsin: She had died in Fargo, North Dakota.<br />
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I set to google searching for ways to find a death record from North Dakota, as I'd never really tried to in that state before. This is the resource I found and would like to share with you.<br />
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The North Dakota State University Libraries Archives:<br />
http://library.ndsu.edu/archives/biography-genealogy<br />
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They appear to have, or link to, a variety of useful online databases for anyone you might be looking for in North Dakota. Most valuable to me, they link to an online searchable Public Death Index. The search function is relatively user-friendly, and it also goes back pretty far. Most exciting for me was that it provided me an exact date of birth for Anna. I plugged her death information in and she came up right away, with an exact birth date and everything.<br />
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From there, like most Dept Vital Rec indexes, it provided a link to order your own copy of the death record. Figuring it would be expensive, I clicked the link just for kicks, to see how expensive it would be. Wisconsin is $25 and most states are around that if not more expensive. To my shock the price to order a copy of a death record from North Dakota was only $5! I thought it might be a trick. No. This is extremely valuable and affordable if you're looking for records in North Dakota.<br />
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Just thought I would share. Enjoy!jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-84243761005893847542012-11-20T23:35:00.002-08:002012-11-20T23:39:01.177-08:00Brandmueller / Brandmiller UpdateI've been doing a great deal of work on the Brandmueller / Brandmiller family the past few weeks. Towards the end of October I received the research I had paid for in Germany regarding the Brandmueller, Hoenninger, Neidhardt Petsch/Rudelts, and others. You can see this data here: http://jadina.tribalpages.com/family-tree/jadina/5932/2484/Georg-Brandmueller-Family<br />
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This provided me with a great deal of useful information, extending my Brandmueller line back through the 1700s. I received slightly more expanded information about the Neidhardt family, and the other related families back through the 1700s as well. It is apparent that there is much more work that can be done with these families. Hopefully I can afford that someday!<br />
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Closer to home I decided to start digging more into the Brandmueller / Brandmiller relatives I knew had immigrated from Germany. I knew the names and birth years of the children of my ancestor's (Georg Brandmueller) brother Michael, but had not really gone into much detail to find anything out about their lives, much less what Michael's wife's maiden name even was.<br />
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To begin this process, I went back to basics. I started exploring the Maryland State Archives website and re-found out that there are various parish records scanned and placed online. I believe I had found this site before but hadn't been able to figure out the username and password to access the data. WELL. This was extremely good for me (although time-consuming).<br />
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This is possibly the best resource available for the Baltimore area, since vital records weren't required by the city or state itself until much later than the time period I am interested in. Parish records, however, recorded nearly everyone. I had previously paid for death record information on the Brandmueller family from St. Mary's Seminary who holds parish records for St. Alphonsus, the church the family belonged to.<br />
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Well, the State Archives have the marriage books scanned in for St. Alphonsus. The lady who had done the research for me at the Seminary Archives had told me she had not found a marriage record for my ancestors, Georg Brandmueller and Johanna Hoenninger. This hadn't made too much sense, as they had arrived on the same ship but under their own last names (not married yet) but by a year and a half later they had had their first child. But I figured, eh, Baltimore was a big city, lots of different churches, maybe they got married at a different church I wasn't able to track down yet.<br />
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Looking through the St. Alphonsus marriages I discovered that the Archivist hadn't looked very carefully. I found their marriage, and that of Georg's brother Michael to his wife Katherine MARTIN. I spent a great deal of time scouring these records for any mention of any other Brandmueller or Hoenninger families. Through this, I was able to find a sister of Georg and Michael's. Her name was Margaretha and she married Martin Meckel. This was exciting. How many Brandmueller descendants were there??<br />
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The marriage records were extensive so I was able to look through for the marriages of some of the children of those mentioned above. I mostly only found information on Michael and Katherine's children, since obviously Georg's line moved to Wisconsin before getting married.<br />
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Anyway, from other information I started looking into other churches in the vicinity that may provide more information for me. Various other churches have had their Baptismal, Confirmation, Marriage, Death, and Interment records scanned and placed online. Not as many as I would like, but enough to fill in Some of the gaps in my information.<br />
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One of the most exciting gaps was that I found one more child who was born to Georg and Johanna Brandmueller, who I had not known about, because she was NOT in the records from St. Alphonsus, and thus hadn't been found when I paid the Seminary Archives. I stumbled across the Baptismal records for Holy Cross church in Baltimore. In it I found reference of a baptism for a Justine Brandmueller, born to Georg Brandmueller and Johanna Hoenninger, in September of 1864.<br />
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This led to some questions, as I had received death records from St. Alphonsus for Georg's mother, and his wife, Johanna. Johanna was supposed to have died 3 Feb 1864, several months before Justine was born.<br />
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But everything on this document that I was seeing with my own eyes matched up. The parents names, the birthplaces, everything. So, I went back to Johanna's death record. I realized that they had cropped down to just the line which contained information on my ancestor, and that virtually all information on the actual date of death was handwritten by the archivist. Thus, I figured the error must have been a case of the lady writing down the wrong year. I wrote them a letter and she confirmed that yes, actually, she had died 3 Feb 1865, it was an error because the page was split between two years, the end of 1864 and the beginning of 1865. I was glad to find an easy solution to what could have been a complicated problem, but I was also reminded of why it is so important to me to do my own research in person whenever possible...<br />
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In any event I spent hours and hours scouring records. I'm sure I missed some things but I came across a great deal of other things allowing me to flesh out the families of Michael Brandmueller and Margaretha Meckel. I found that the Brandmuellers that remained in Baltimore strictly used Brandmiller in records. I also began digging to find obituaries so that I might determine where these families were buried. By finding that the Brandmiller family was buried in New Cathedral cemetery, I was able to contact the cemetery directly to find out information on the plots they are buried in.<br />
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Interestingly, it appears that they transferred Michael's remains to this cemetery from their original location. He died in 1879 and was buried in what was then St. Alphonsus cemetery. However, at some point that cemetery needed to be removed so they transferred most remains to Most Holy Redeemer Cemetery. I had figured that his remains were transferred along with Anne Neidhardt Brandmueller (his mother) and his sister-in-law Johanna Brandmueller. Now I wonder - were they transferred to Most Holy Redeemer? To another cemetery? Did they remain and get bulldozed? I tend to think they were namelessly transferred or left to be bulldozed, because direct family wasn't necessarily there to take care of them.<br />
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So, overall, I've found out all death dates for the children of Katherine and Michael Brandmiller. I was hoping by expanding this information I would find more on my direct ancestors, but that search continues. I hope someday I can figure out where Georg Brandmueller disappeared between 1870 and 1880.jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-89404337107255248862012-10-13T13:39:00.000-07:002012-10-13T19:23:04.222-07:00A little bit of everything - One BIG updateI apologize for the long time since writing. I've had a lot going on in my personal life, such as graduating from UW-Madison and beginning graduate studies at the University of Georgia. Between my time at school I had the entire spring and summer off. I used that time for a great deal of genealogical research.<br />
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I have put a lot of effort into fleshing out many of my family lines. Many of them were skeletons and some on my dad's side didn't have much detail. I've spent quite a deal of time finding out more info on each of these.<br />
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In particular I took the large and ever growing Stark family by the horns. You my remember that on my grandpa's side, I had two different Stark lines, one on his mother's side and one on his father's side. I had long suspected that the two giant lines were related, given that they were from the same area around Oak Creek, etc. I just had lacked an ability to connect them.<br />
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Then I heard from a researcher who had been investigating the families for quite some time. He was able to help me connect the two lines. My furthest back ancestor in one line, Mathias (b. 1826) shared the same father as my ancestor in the other line, John (b. 1810), Peter Stark (1785-1835).John was the son of Peter and his first wife, Elizabeth Thiel. She died in 1813. Mathias was the son of Peter and his second wife Anna Muellen (yes, as far as can be told on records it is MuelleN not MuelleR). <br />
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It was extremely exciting to make that breakthrough. I additionally found out more information on Johann's son John Henry Stark. My initial research hadn't turned up much info because he disappeared from the Milwaukee area and I wasn't able to distinctly link him in other areas. Also with the help of PJ Starck I was able to find out that he in fact moved to the Madison area. While I was still living in Madison, I was able to locate his and his wives' graves as well as some of his children. Interestingly his daughter Helena married William Schulkamp, brother of Gerhard Schulkamp who was married to a Diebold on my mother's side. It is funny to see these connections that exist now years after the fact.<br />
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During our annual cemetery trip up north during April/May of this year, we stopped at St. Joseph's Cemetery in Appleton. Digging more into the Mathias Stark family I had discovered that there were more Starks and other related families buried there than I had initially thought. We did a somewhat thorough once-over of the main older sections of the cemetery and found quite a few Starks and related names.<br />
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This helped illuminate the differences in Nickolas Stark (son of Johann b. 1810) and his line, from the descendants of Mathias Stark (b. 1826) who also moved to the Appleton area at the same time. It also brought to light a list of "unknowns;" people who were buried in Stark plots that I wasn't able to identify initially, and people who have the surname Stark and don't seem to fit into the known lines that I have researched. So, over the past few months I have been slowly working on this list as well.<br />
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Even MORE on the Starks (is you head spinning yet?) : I recently was contacted by a woman who received an OLD photo album from a descendant of Appalonia Starck Hauerwas (through Elizabeth Hauerwas Dreger), daughter of Johann Stark (b. 1810) and Helena Mick. The descendant wanted to see if anyone could help identify the people in them. I don't know much about the family so not much progress has been made yet. If anyone reading this is interested in seeing the photos, please do contact me and I would be happy to show you some of what I have received thus far.<br />
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I was contacted earlier this year by a descendant of Lula Sarah Beaulieu, daughter of Sarah E. Mayville and Martin Luther Beaulieu. This was extremely awesome. I have spent so much time trying to track down all of their kids, and it has been nearly impossible due to the amount of variance of the spelling of "Beaulieu." Well, did Abby have a story for me. In the 1910 census for Sarah and Luther, included with their children is listed a "daughter" named Hilda who was born around 1906.<br />
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I'd never thought anything of it, really, but Abby informed me that Hilda was not actually their daughter, but their granddaughter. It turns out Lula Sarah Beaulieu had eloped with the son of a wealthy family in the Wrightstown area (they were involved in the steel industry or some other similar trade). This family was one whom Sarah Mayville Beaulieu worked for in their house. The families discovered this and forbade the marriage, essentially forcing them to annul it. However, it was a little too late - Lula was pregnant with a daughter, Hilda.<br />
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The name of Lula's lover is not known because the family had his name stricken from any known family documents and from Hilda's birth record. Her family never told her who her father was. Lula went on to marry two other men and have a couple more daughters. Now Abby is facing the task of tracking down who this man was. It will take a lot of work but I believe it is possible if we can find out where they eloped to and all that jazz. It seems unlikely that annulment papers would have the names erased of the individuals involved, so that may be a good place to start as well. It'll be interesting to see how this develops. I am hoping that by finding out more about this line I can find out more about Sarah Mayville. I would like to finally find her and Martin's final resting place.<br />
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I made a breakthrough in one of my many mysteries involving the McConnell family. The 1870 census for Alexander McConnell living in Jefferson, WI, had a mystery little girl listed after other family, "Flora Bourne" but there was no detail on who she was or what her relationship to Alex was. In the 1880 census for Alex's household, again in Jefferson, she was listed simply as Flora McConnell. Ever since first seeing those census records I had wondered who this Flora Bourne was and why she was living with the family.<br />
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Then I stumbled on something while searching for one of the McConnells. A family tree I ran across stated that Alex's daughter Margaret had been married. Something I never knew before. When I looked through Rock River Cemetery several years ago I had found a stone for Margaret, just stating her name as Margaret McConnell, and having died 7 Oct 1866. What the tree I found suggested was that she had married Chardon Bourne on 5 Aug 1865 while she and her family were living in the vicinity of Winona, Minnesota, during the mid-1860's. Further, the couple had a daughter, Flora Bourne, who was born 14 Jul 1866, several months before Margaret died.<br />
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This was exciting. But I had to make sure this was correct, first. Was it plausible that the Margaret McConnell married to Chardon was the Margaret McConnell of my family? In the 1865 Minnesota State Census, the Bournes and McConnells are practically neighbors. That is a plus sign. Looking into more documents and records (a newspaper article from 1908 states "<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Chardon Bourne, who has lived here in Witoka for over fifty years, writes a Witoka resident, is going to Merrill, Wis., to visit a daughter or as he puts it, 'to see his baby whom he has not seen since she was five months old, and who is now the mother of ten children.'"</span><br />
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This seems to add up with the time period here. If Flora was born in July and Margaret died in October, with her parents soon after taking over raising the child back in Jefferson, WI, then the time period would mesh as about 3-5 months of age of his daughter when he had last seen her.<br />
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Other records, such as Flora's marriage record and children's birth records seem to add up. I'd like to get ahold of Flora's death record to make 100% sure, so I probably will check it next time I'm back home in Madison. Amazing what mysteries can be solved after a few years of persistence.<br />
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I have been spending increasing amounts of time on findagrave.com Most recently I completed a photo/transcription of St Mary of the Lake cemetery out in Westport, WI (<a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=23506620&CRid=2144268&">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=23506620&CRid=2144268&</a>). I have quite a few relatives buried there and found a few more through the process of the transcription. It is always nice to have a little more info that might help in making a breakthrough. This Irish line is going to be a tough one to break.<br />
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I've also spent a lot of time working on finding the burial location of Corbet Tarbell as well as his wives and all of his children. I made a lot of progress with the help of several researchers in the Londonderry and Chester, VT areas. Corbet and his second wife Nancy are buried in Riverside Cemetery in Londonderry, but I have been unable to find the burial location of his first wife, my ancestor, Amy Thompson Tarbell. I am still searching and hoping to find more information. I've also had trouble finding the burial locations of the three known children Corbet had with Nancy.<br />
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Similarly I made a goal of finding the burial places of all of Betsey Davis and Hiram Greeley 's known children. I finally did succeed in that, and through this research I have been able to flesh out my family lines a little further. Also with the Greeleys I spoke to a descendant of Leah Greeley Mills, which was really nice. She had kept in contact with my great-grandparents for her life, despite living out west, so it was nice to reconnect to that line after all these years.<br />
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I recently paid a researcher in Germany to hopefully provide more information on the Brandmueller, Hoeninger, and related families in Bavaria. I am looking forward to seeing what will turn up on this second round.<br />
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I have also renewed efforts to locate the birth record of Simon Walter. Church records in Wisconsin indicate he was born in Neubeuren by Weisenbach. So far the Archivs I have spoken to have not been able to locate such a place. I have been referred from place to place and hope to soon find someone who can help me figure out this mystery.<br />
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Back in June I made contact with an Annen descendant who sent me a few pictures. One of them is believed to contain Peter Annen, my immigrant ancestor in that line, who I had never seen a picture of before! This was great!<br />
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Well, I think my work has been pretty well updated now. I have of course been doing many other, smaller things on the side, as well as started a project involving Resurrection Cemetery in Madison. I'll leave it at this, for now, though!!jadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09453047880433592109noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-77914491513814750592011-10-04T11:52:00.000-07:002011-10-04T12:18:15.015-07:00Strasser Mystery solved; more German infoMy last post, quite some time ago, concluded with my about to embark on searching German church records by hand. That search only opened up new mysteries to me. The records were difficult to read at times, and all in German. The German was relatively straightforward to understand, however, so I did not have trouble. They also had a booklet that a few church ladies had put together translating some of the records. <br /><br />These records were, however, fantastic in that they provided birth places in Germany for my ancestors. Simon Walter was listed as being born in Neubeuren bei Wiesenfeld. His wife, Margaretha, was a different story. She was listed intermittently as either a Strasser or Kuernlein // Kaemmlein by birth. The church records shed no light on these because they ALSO alternated between listing two two names. Sometimes her children's records said one thing, and then her own death record said another. Was Simon married to two women named Margaretha? In the cemetery records there was also a listing of an Eva Elisabetha Strasser, whose maiden name was Kuernlein, born 14 Sept 1805 in Weisenbach. She had a husband listed as Johann Michael Strasser, only his birth year was 1822 and he had been born someplace called Schnelldorf. Margaretha herself was born 2 Jan 1827, also in Weisenbach. <br /><br />How were these three related?? The church records were infuriating. I had them all laid out in front of me in the basement of the church and they just kept leading me in circles without providing information on how exactly these three were related. They had to be. They were from the same tiny town in Germany. They had the same names. They had similar generations (1822/1827, and then the older generation line at 1805). Were johann and Margaretha siblings? What was going on?<br /><br />I photographed every record and came home, still studying the same information and still baffled. I searched the internet for the town name "Weisenbach by Wuerttemburg" as it had been listed on the records. I determined that the town I was looking for was in Schwaebisch Hall region of Stuttgart, Wurttemburg state. There was even a road between Weisenbach and Schnelldorf, explaining how the Strasser and Kaemmlein families had met. <br /><br />Because I was now armed with the proper locales and exact birth dates (thank you, St Johns in Oak Creek!) I could now attempt to find records in Germany. Luckily records existed. They let me know that Margaretha, wife of Simon Walter was a Kaemmlein by birth. Her mother was, Eva Elisabetha Kaemmlein, who had Margaretha illegitimately and therefore Margaretha had her mother's maiden name. The father may be listed on the record but it is incredibly hard to read on the scan they sent me in the mail.<br /><br />Apparently, Eva Kaemmlein married Johann Michael Kaemmlein, only 5 years older than her illegitimate daughter, and came to America with him in 1852. I do not know more about the marriage of Eva and Johann Michael, but at least I do know the proper relationships between these three. <br /><br />From this info I was able to find more info on the Kaemmlein family. Eva's parents were Johann George Kaemmlein and Anna Barbara Ballbach. <br /><br />I can't afford to find more information at this time but I'm satisfied with having learned what I did so far. <br /><br /><br />More family research in German records:<br /><br />I also acquired the birthdates of George Brandmueller and Johanna Hoeninger. Georg was born 12 Aug 1824 in Steudach, Erlangen-Büchenbach, Mittelfranken, Bavaria. His parents were Adam Brandmueller and Anna Neidhardt. I have found the Brandmueller line back to the mid 1700s now! Can you believe it?<br /><br />Johanna Hoeninger was born 16 Sep 1824 in Buechenbach to Johann Michael Hoeninger (I had wondered as her sons had this name) and Barbara Rudelt. Barbara was an illegitimate child of Conrad Petsch and Catharina Rudelt. She is alternately listed by either surname in various records. <br /><br /><br />I have slowly been acquiring more info on the Grass families also. More to come when I can afford the research!!Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-79042335567180011182011-05-17T19:35:00.000-07:002011-05-17T21:51:02.572-07:00German update; new Christofferson info, much more.Quite a lot of time has passed since I last took the time to write here, but I have been still working on a variety of things. <br /><br />I recently undertook the monumental task of trying to track down records in Germany for all of my German ancestors. This hasn't been easy, because for many of my ancestors I still do not know a town name of origination. That means finding records is next to impossible. For others, I have pretty good information so I have been able to make some contacts and find out a little more information.<br /><br />One such is the family of Lawrence Grass. I knew his daughter Adelheid Grass Diebold had been born in "Kerpen bei Koeln" i.e. the town of Kerpen near Cologne. Kerpen has an archive located in their town and a very helpful archivist there has been able to help me find the birth records of Adelheid and Lorenz, as well as the marriage record of Lorenz Grass to Anna Maria Lapper. From these documents I found a new generation: Lorenz Grass's parents were Aegidius Grass (! what a name) and Maria Catherina Ahrens. Anna Maria Lapper's mother was listed on the marriage record as "Maria Anna Lapper" and no father was listed. <br /><br />They were also able to find a registry for the marriage of Maria Ahrens and Aegidius Grass, as well as a listing of all of their children baptized. <br /><br />I also contacted a variety of places in central Bavaria, to try to track down exactly where the Brandmueller and Hoenninger/Hönninger/Heninger families were from. I had received information from Baltimore church records that the Brandmueller family came from Steudach, Bavaria, while the Hönningers came from Buechenbach. An archive in Bamberg was able to locate Hönninger records for me, in Mittelfranken, but the unfortunate part of the story is that it costs 60 euro per HOUR for research to be conducted at the archives. That has put my search there on hold as I cannot afford that at all. <br /><br />I am still hoping to track down more German records as time and money allows.<br /><br />Closer to home, I have been able to figure out a couple of mysteries lately and I am really quite pleased if these fully pan out as I hope they will. The first was that of the Christoffersons, my uncle's family. For a while I have been stuck on Carl Christofferson's parents. He was born at an awkward time just before the 1880 census, but then was old enough that by the 1900 census he was living on his own and therefore not connected to any parents. I could not for the life of me figure out where he was on the 1880 census although I knew it had to be in Blooming Grove. Multiple records indicated he was born in Blooming Grove, and he was born, as I said, not long before the 1880 census. <br /><br />Well I decided to plug in the information I knew into ancestry.com again (thanks to my cousin who shares her account with me from time to time!!), because I'm a sucker for staring at the same information over and over that doesn't belong to my family. Haha. Kidding. This time I did a specific search for 1880 in Blooming Grove (instead of Wisconsin as a whole) and came up with a Charles Christofferson b. ca. 1875, living with parents Hans Peter Christofferson and Kari Endresdatter. Of course, Carl and Charles are pretty damn similar, and this is THE only Christofferson family I could find in Blooming Grove in 1880. <br /><br />This family also listed an Andrew Christofferson as this Charles's brother. Mattie Hanson, sister of Tena Hanson (who married Carl Christofferson) had married an Andrew Christofferson. I thought this was a little too much of a coincidence. <br /><br />I then looked at the public family trees on ancestry, which I don't think I had done for this family, and all of the trees confirmed what that census told me, with exact dates for the siblings. One tree even had a picture of all five siblings and I'm fairly certain the man labeled Carl in the photo resembles my uncle and his relatives. This was extremely pleasing because I was able to find Hans and Kari's death certificates and marriage records which indicated birth and death dates of course as well as parents' names. Hans Christofferson is the son of Christian Amundson and Barbara Hansdatter. Kari Andresdatter is the daughter of Andrew (Endre) Knudson and Barbra Halversdatter. I'm pretty excited because this just gave me a big step forward by finding the immigrant ancestors for my uncle Eric!<br /><br />My next mystery solved was Simon Walter, my own immigrant ancestor on my grandpa's biological father's side. I had been able to find him in the census from 1855 to 1880 in Wisconsin but had not found him after that, nor in any immigration records. From all I could find, he was born around 1806-1810 and I didn't know when he died. One unique finding was the 1880 census had a column where the enumerator could list diseases or illnesses the person was suffering. I've never seen anything listed there before. But for Simon Walter, it said he was suffering from "Bilious Fever." I don't know much of what that means in today's terms but I assumed it was relatively serious, especially for a man around 70 years old.<br /><br />The other day I was scanning find-a-grave to see if I could find anything new on a variety of lines. I searched for the surname "Walter" in Milwaukee County. The first hit that caught my eye was a memorial for a John Walter, b. Sep 28 1853. This was very interesting to me as this was the son of Simon Walter, and the brother of my ancestor Fred Walter. Then I looked at who else was in the cemetery, the "Independent Cemetery" in Oak Creek: a Katherina Walter and a SIMON WALTER. Almost lost my mind with excitement. Checked into it a little more, the dates for Katherine also fit with what I had for John's first wife (Katherina Baum). And, the Simon Walter was listed as born 12 Apr 1810 and died 7 Nov 1880. Death in 1880, not long after that 1880 census that stated he was ill with something that sounded nasty? Hmm. <br /><br />My next step was figuring out what this whole "Independent Cemetery" business was about - it didn't seem to have anything online about it or any religious affiliations. So I asked someone (Nancy Honadel) at the Oak Creek Historical Society that I had gotten help from previously on some Catholic ancestors in the area who was able to help me track down that this was a combination of a cemetery for something called the Independent Cemetery, and then for St. John's Lutheran Church. She had a list of burials for St. John's which included not only John, Katherine, and Simon, but also a "Lena" died 1878 and a Margaretha died 1892. <br /><br />I'm VERY interested in these as Simon had at least one wife named Magdalena/Margaretha. All of the children's birth records submitted in the 1860s state that their mother was a Margaretha Kuernlein (never really figured out how to read that name). However, half of the death recs I have found have listed their mother as a M. Strasser. Kind of very different from Kuernlein or any variation of THAT name. My latest idea on that front is that there were two different women that Simon married, and one may be responsible for some of children, and the other the rest. Needless to say I am chomping at the bit to solve that mystery.<br /><br />Lucky me, I got in touch with a Pastor at this church, still standing, next door to the cemetery, and he is allowing me to come search the church documents in person this Friday. Am I excited? Yes. The only qualms I have were he mentioned sticking me in the basement with all the records. Sounds quite daunting. So we'll see what comes of that. I am very much looking forward to the opportunity to look into these records firsthand. <br /><br />I'll try to update this a <span style="font-style:italic;">little</span> more frequently!Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-47790780501055639202010-05-23T15:48:00.000-07:002010-05-23T17:59:22.284-07:00Brandmuller, Stark and Koch update!Yet another delayed post. I have done a lot in the span of time since I wrote last. <br /><br />One of the biggest areas of new information is in the Brandmueller region. I was able to discover at long last what parish the family belonged to in Baltimore. They belonged to St. Alphonsus which was near their home. The St. Mary's Archives contain the church records for this parish, and thus I was able to receive copies of baptismal registries for all of the siblings of my ancestor Margaret Brandmueller as well as their birthdates. These records are exceptional in that they allowed my to confirm Johanna's maiden name as Heninger, and also provided me with the area in Bavaria where both George Brandmueller and Johanna Heninger immigrated from. I now know that Johanna was from Buchenbach and Georg was from Staudach. I have yet to try to locate any information in these places. As far as I can tell it will be quite difficult. <br /><br />Additionally I received death records for Michael Brandmueller (George's brother), Anna Brandmueller (George's mother) and JOHANNA HERSELF! I was extremely pleased when I received the latter two records. I had no idea that George's mother had come to America at all; I assumed that the children struck out on their own. The record gives Anna's maiden name but it is difficult to discern. It is something like "Neidhardt." <br /><br />Johanna Heninger Brandmueller died 3 Feb 1864 of consumption. <br /><br />I still wonder what happened to George, however, and have been trying to find this out. The last record I have of him is 1870 in Springfield, Dane Co., with the son Michael. I haven't been able to figuer out where Margaretha was because she hadn't married Peter Annen yet. I am trying to look into census records to determine if she was working as a domestic for someone in the area. I went to the church where they were married in an attempt to find records or graves for George Brandmueller. I found a great deal of Annen relatives there which helps support how Margaretha Brandmueller met Peter Annen. I didn't find anyone at the church when I visited so I am hoping to contact someone soon. <br /><br />Another piece of this is that I found a family by the name of Weller who immigrated from Bavaria to...town of Springfield, Dane Co., and are living in the same area as George Brandmueller...the mother in this family is named Margaretha BRANDMUELLER, and came from Staudach. I am hoping to ascertain more of this relationship but it seems very likely that this lady is the sister of George!<br /><br />I am excited that I have finally made a little progress on that line, however!<br /><br />Another interesting line I've recently received new information is the Johanna Stark line of the Rinke family. This is, I think, unrelated to the Stark/Steffen line but I have long thought there might be a connection between the two lines because of the closeness of quarters of the two families. New information is starting to support this.<br /><br />I recently undertook to do a full transcription of St. James Cemetery in Franklin, Wis., since I had already done most of the stones on my first trip there upon discovering that most of them were related to me. On the second trip I discovered some more Starck stones I hadn't seen on my first trip, thanks mostly to the fact that the shrubbery hadn't grown in yet (it was early April when I made the trip, and during summertime some stones are obscured by great big bushes and hostas). <br /><br />In any event this new discovery of a Johann and Helena Starck was extremely puzzling to me as they didn't seem to fit in with the Starcks who had married into the Steffen family buried in that cemetery. There was a small group of other Starcks in the back of the cemetery which similarly did not fit into the first family. As the semester got a little hotter I put the Star[c]k problem on the backburner.<br /><br />I received an email last week from Yon Hafer, who has proven to be a valuable resource. He has photos of a family I've never seen before, because my grandfather was adopted. He has photos of the Rinke family, and most notably of Johanna Stark Rinke, who was my ancestor and died young. Yon gave me information about Johanna's parents - that their names were Johann and Helena (Mick) Starck and that they had died in a cholera outbreak in Oct 1866..... This rang a bell. I checked my transcription - Johanna at St. James had died in Oct 1866 and so had Helena. I couldn't even BELIEVE this! I'm pretty excited to see what else I might learn on this line.<br /><br />Another line I've found out more about is Ernest Koch and his wife Christina Schoso. I found the death record for Ernest - he died 24 Apr 1901. It gave me parents names (Ludwig and Albertina) as well as his date of birth. I similarly found Christina's death rec which didn't have parents' names, unfortunately. From these records, though, I was able to find out where they were buried in Pittsburgh. <br /><br />I have been doing quite a bit else, too, and will try to update this a bit more frequently now that it is summer.Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-86935698207286660882010-01-17T21:30:00.001-08:002010-01-17T22:24:37.533-08:00Monster winter break updateHey all!<br /><br />Well over break I have been basically pounding through as much genealogy as I can get done in such a short time. I've been trekking all over the internet in search of new little pieces to add to my family tree. <br /><br />I did some work on my <a href="http://jadesgenes.250x.com">family photo album</a> back in December. Another project has been putting together an application to the Daughters of the American Revolution. This was a rather spur of the moment decision, and as it turns out it is relatively costly to join. I figure I should join at some point, though, because of all of my ancestors who were in the Revolution. I am using Joseph Reynolds (1751-1831, great-grandfather of Everett Elisha Reynolds) as my main ancestor. Later on I can add on and link all of my other ancestors, too. <br /><br />As part of that experience I asked my paternal grandparents what sort of records they have from that side of the family as far as birth and marriage records. I received not only records but some copies of letters to my great-grandmother Geraldine Reynolds, which contained some new family info. <br /><br />One letter is signed what looks like "Don"; I don't know who else this may be except for Donald Schwennesen. This letter contains references to some letters my Geraldine had at some point from Harrison McConnell in California. This could be where the whole gold mining story came from. I don't know where these letters are, however. But it did confirm some flimsy census work I had had on Harrison McConnell, as well as his relationship to my family. He included in his letter a skeleton family tree he had been working on. <br /><br />Other letters were from Randy Gjertson a relative on the Liebenow side. I have since tried contacting him but haven't heard back yet. <br /><br />I also received a copy of a newspaper clipping that shows Geraldine Reynolds with a doll in the 1920s. I had no clue about this, and apparently my grandmother still has the doll in the picture. <br /><br />As I said I have been traipsing every which way. I finally found the phone number for Leona Mayville Buttweiler. She is Dewey's daughter, is 85 she said, and as I had read in some old letters, had done quite a bit of genealogy. Well, she is a treasure! All I had to do was mention the family and she just went on about the family and random tidbits I had and hadn't known before, while reiterating several times that she has "lots of stuff on the Mayvilles and Reynoldses." <br /><br />She gave me her address and I wrote her a letter as she said that when I did that it would make it easier for her to send her some copies of what she has. From what she said, she has a lot of records that don't seem to be in the public records, marriage records and so forth from the mid 19th century. I am extremely excited to see what she may have, and it is amazing to think that she knew all of these people that I only know through records. The closest I have to her is my grandmother Mary Diebold Mayville, who tells me stories about all the relatives on her side. I look forward to hopefully talking to Leona more and seeing what she has. If she had photos, that would be amazing!<br /><br />I also looked a little more in-depth at the records familysearch.org has been getting transcribed. That has quickly become a treasure trove for me. Their pilot records are located <a href="http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html">here</a>.<br /><br />They have Ohio state death records there which enabled me to track down more of, and flesh out, the Noell family. I was able to find out where Julius Noell's parents were buried as well as more definite dates for a lot of his family. I still can't find out where he and Verna Luella Reynolds, along with their children, ended up. I am going to try calling some New York cemeteries to try to figure it out.<br /><br />familysearch also has cook county, illinois birth and marriage records online which helped me find out a bit more about the Schwennesen family. I found out where Grace Reynolds and her husband Otto Schwennesen is buried as well as their son Donald O. Schwennesen who I mentioned earlier. Donald's find-a-grave page included a full obituary which has a lot of information about his descendents. <br /><br />Another bit I found on familysearch just tonight was that there were some Washington State death records indexed. I searched "Gloria Mayville" (daughter of Nina Morris and Edmund Mayville) because I still have not been able to find what happened to her. What popped up was fantastic. I still have to confirm this, but if it's the true connection, it makes me extremely happy. <br /><br />A death record popped up for a Patricia Lynn Barkley who died in 1951 with parents listed as James H. Barkley and GLORIA V. MAYVILLE. the Gloria I'm looking for has a middle name of Velma which meshes NICELY with this. So, next I checked the SSDI for a "Gloria Barkley" it came up with Gloria V. Barkley b. Jan 11, 1924 d. Feb 19 1995. The only thing I have for dates for my Gloria is that she was born Feb 11, 1924, but this date is only from Clorie Greeley Mayville's birthday book - so being off by a month would not be unusual (I have found a couple other such discrepancies in her birthday book).<br /><br />I am attempting to find an obituary for this Gloria Barkley who died in Vancouver, WA, to confirm the connection but things are looking good. Vancouver WA is just across the river from Clackamas valley, where Gloria Mayville's sister Gertrude Mayville Schultz lived and died. <br /><br />I'm excited to possibly finally have some information about this line. I hope that Gloria had more children and maybe I can contact them for information on their line. That would be very exciting. The last little bit I found was a transcription of James H. Barkley's grave in Evergreen Memorial Cemetery in Vancouver, which says :<br /><br />"James H. Barkley oct 12, 1919 - jun 15, 1978, us army. wife: Gloria Barkley, vancouver, MGM, 19 jun 1978" <br /><br />I am going to try contacting this cemetery, also to see if they can provide any more information to me. <br /><br />Well this post has gotten quite long!! I'll hopefully have more information soon.Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-16975810626084921492009-11-28T11:41:00.000-08:002009-11-28T11:54:07.490-08:00Shepherd, Mayville, Annen Quick updateHello,<br /><br />I realized I hadn't updated this for a while so I wanted to add a little quick note. <br /><br />I recently obtained a copy of Peter Annen's (b. 1848) naturalization records. The document provides some really interesting information, such as that he arrived with his family arrived on the ship Columbia which sailed to Quebec in July of 1857. From there they entered the U.S. in Detroit and came to Wisconsin. It lists his wife and children's information, also, so it's a pretty good document. <br /><br />Additionally I have been talking recently to several researchers from the Shepherd family (Greeley connection) and have been getting a little more information about those branches than I previously had. <br /><br />I've also recently been talking to a Mayville who lived here in Wisconsin for some time, his family was from Michigan where they had emigrated from Quebec. I was glad to meet him because I have always wondered how my Wisconsin line of Mayvilles was related to the Michigan line. I will hopefully be finding out a little more about that line, especially with the help of Carroll.<br /><br />I'm still trying to get ahold of Edmund Mayville Jr.'s obituary from California. A lady on raogk.org has been supposed to get me a copy since June and still have not done so, which is quite frustrating due to lack of options. I am highly curious as to if he had a family out there. There has been someone from California visiting this page as well as my family photo site, looking at the Mayville stuff and I really wonder if they are related, because that would be fantastic. If you see this, could you please email me? I know the Mayvilles generally don't like to talk about the family, but I would be glad to meet you!<br /><br />Well I haven't much else to say right now. Hopefully I will have some more time to work on genealogy when winter break rolls around!Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-84524454043525006752009-06-10T22:42:00.000-07:002009-06-10T23:11:00.090-07:00Reynolds & Liebenow updatesWoo, it seems today I have made some small leaps in a couple of what seem to have been brick walls..<br /><br />I talked to Gilbert H. from Caribou, ME, on the phone today. He is a local historian there, having lived in the area his whole life (73 years I believe). He told me about a pamphlet he had found which was from the Reynolds Family Association and had a section about our family, particularly about Everett Elisha Reynolds. This pamphlet was published in 1931 and apparently Everett was still alive then.<br /><br />I found there to be some very interesting information in what he read aloud to me from this book: it states that Everett "is a shoemaker of Canton, ME", "Lived in Brockton; Wisconsin for seven years; California two years; Caribou, Hartford, Ft. Fairfield, ME. In 1888 went to Glasgow, Scotland for short time."<br /><br />He went to SCOTLAND?! He was busy in 1888. This is the year he left his Wisconsin family; the year he supposedly went to California (according to my grandmother her story had been he went to Cali for a gold rush? [gold rush part ruled implausible because of the year] and wrote to the family a few times but then was never heard from again); the year he found the plow and brought it to Green Ridge Grange starting on August 3rd 1888 and taking 37 days to reach Green Ridge, ME.; and NOW he also went to Scotland in 1888. Now isn't that something???<br /><br />This basically has connected almost everything I have found out so far, from his first wife Melissa Harris (and children, including another daughter that I hadn't known about yet), to his time in Wisconsin and his marriage to Kate McConnell (which this book acknowledges that at the time- 1931- she and the three children were living in Chicago... I'm not sure about that I need to try to see if my grandma knows why she would have been in Chicago at all). <br /><br />It connects all of the scattered people and places who I have been trying to prove are all tied to a single entity, Everett Elisha Reynolds, rather than perhaps chasing two different people who lived parts of each of these lives but aren't the same person and one isn't my ancestor. No, I can now almost definitively (and only "almost" because nothing is EVER definitive in genealogy or anything else for that matter) say, that Everett Elisha Reynolds, the man I have traced in all of these unlikely, varied places, with varied little notes attached, is indeed one person who did all of these things and is indeed my ancestor without a doubt. <br /><br />I think most intriguingly is that he sent in this information himself, because he was a member of the Reynolds Family Association (RFA) and I believe that they probably required then, as they do now, all applying members to submit their direct Reynolds lineage and any pertinent information to each person.<br /><br />I think the last two bits of information I really want are to know if Everett's journal is still around, and also to try to find out when Everett died. I tried looking through RFA obituaries today at the Historical Society, because their yearly newletter/pamphlet contains a section for obituaries of Reynolds descendants, but in years 1931-36 I could not find him. I suppose it wouldn't shock me that he lived to be 100, but who on earth knows. I just need to find out somehow. <br /><br />Gilbert didn't know anything of a Reynolds diary when I mentioned it, but he said he would inquire around town. He also said his wife's second cousin is a Dr. Jay Reynolds who lives in, I think, Ft. Fairfield, and whom Jim Ashby suggested I write asking if there was such a diary still around. I haven't heard from the Dr. Reynolds but I hope someone will find something out there in Maine.<br /><br /><br />Also, I have been working on my photo project... It's nearing "final" stages- won't ever be done, really, hopefully, I keep adding new pictures- but one of the last stages is digging through all of my family emails for pictures people have sent me over the years to include in the family photos I have just from my family. The site is http://jadesgenes.250x.com<br /><br />In any event, I was just rummaging through the Liebenow family folder in my email and I found the email where someone transcribed the marriage record from a Pittsburgh church for Ferdinand Liebenow and Augusta Koch. It says witnesses were Ferdinand Koch and Albertina Koch. I decided to search the 1900 census for a Ferdinand Koch living in PA, but assuming I had already done this when I first got the email, I didn't expect to find anything. Well, I found one about 40 some years old in 1900, living in Pittsburgh. He has a huge household, and I look at the bottom and see that his PARENTS are living with him.<br /><br />Well, I see that this could very likely be the brother of my August Koch, because her death record has the father's name as Earnest Koch and mother as Earnestine Schoso (b. ca. 1832 and living in 1905 with Ferdinand and Augusta in Wisconsin). So, the parents names are Ernest and Christiana. Ernest is b. Jan 1834 and the wife is Aug 1832. Their immigration year is given as 1882, which is [admittedly a sort of long shot] the same year as Augusta Koch immigrated (I don't think I have found their names in any passenger lists yet but I need to try harder to now, to confirm this census-made connection).<br /><br />So, I am pretty excited about these new openings and will hopefully keep updating this about themJaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-1840231216261096912009-06-01T16:50:00.000-07:002009-06-01T19:27:59.646-07:00Bingen Homestead, Great-Grandparent treasure trove<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEie8OV0CfKDx3sK0FMhrW5153QVmVdwVdXLOvqHsKU1t8aSScTI5897KO5bAUxag4327JPGJxntMPKbjbyPQzZqTDfF0YMjFSwGn4v1lHqPxl62fPdYVj6ZdWBP-g5KkFaBQBlKBTfKRNWj/s1600-h/frolickinginjohannsforest.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEie8OV0CfKDx3sK0FMhrW5153QVmVdwVdXLOvqHsKU1t8aSScTI5897KO5bAUxag4327JPGJxntMPKbjbyPQzZqTDfF0YMjFSwGn4v1lHqPxl62fPdYVj6ZdWBP-g5KkFaBQBlKBTfKRNWj/s200/frolickinginjohannsforest.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5342536216974011090" /></a><br /><br />This past weekend turned out to be quite exciting. On Saturday I drove to Milwaukee to meet my cousin Jack Bingen Copet who I have corresponded with for a few years now about the Bingen family. <br /><br />Jack showed me around Allenton and Addison, two small communities in Washington Co. This included several churches and cemeteries. The last cemetery we visited was St. Anthony, which contained the graves of my ancestors Johann Bingen and Anna Maria Mueller as well as Anna Mueller's parents, Mathias Mueller and Elizabeth Bommersbach.<br /><br />After wandering around outside of St. Anthony's church for a while we went to the top of the hill where a cousin of ours, Dorothy Weiss, lives. Jack wanted to ask her all she knew about where the Bingen homestead was, and who we might ask for permission to look at it. We were told that it was just ruins back in the woods somewhere, but we still agreed that it would be very interesting to look at anyways. <br /><br />We drove to this person's farm and asked them if they knew anything about it. The man who owned the farm told us it was back along this, basically, wagon trail, and that it would get brush-y and we'd have to go for a little jog but that the foundation was still there and the remains of a summer kitchen.<br /><br />We started driving back on the trail but it was crazy- lots of rocks rutting the entire thing, huge dips and other similar things, so we eventually abandoned the car and set out on foot for as far as we could go on the path. <br /><br />The entire path was overdrawn by a canopy of trees, bright new green leaves leaving dappled splotches of light all on the ground. We walked briskly to avoid the perpetual onslaught of bugs, but were constantly looking around everywhere for signs of what we had been told to look for. We walked very far back along the path and eventually ran into a full-blown forest where the path we were on split in two directions. Each of us went down one way and then came back, deciding we still didn't see anything. <br /><br />We gave up and traipsed back to the car, determined to ask Mark, the farm owner, some more questions to try to find what we were looking for. Just as we reached it we took another look at the square of grassy field next to the car. I had briefly considered the spot right when we stopped, I guess using my affinity for archaeological concerns, but I hadn't seen anything conclusive that looked like a foundation from where we were on the path. <br /><br />We asked Mark, and he offered to take us on his 4-wheeler to show us. Of course, he stopped right where we had stopped the car. The ruins were back behind some of the huge overgrowth of grass and weeds, prickly plants and so on, that had taken over the small square of land since a home had been there. Mark left us, and Jack and I proceeded to jump through the tall foliage to where we could see a lot of stones. We found the back edge of what we believe was the foundation of a house, the stones perfectly aligned in a straight edge. <br /><br />Well we took a lot of pictures, took a couple of interesting rocks from there and then left.<br /><br />Yesterday I was at my grandmother's house doing some yardwork and we decided to go in the basement to try to find the elusive little book that Mathew Diebold wrote all of his plans in for building the Diebold house that now stands on Breese Terrace here in Madison. <br /><br />We found a large box and the first thing I saw was a bag of pictures!! I couldn't believe it. My grandmother didn't understand, either, because she had thought all of our family pictures were upstairs and already indexed. But no, here is a nice big collection I now have to get labelled and indexed for my photo porject. <br /><br />Also in the box was a huge assortment of memorabilia from my great-grandparents Blanche Tice and Sylvester Diebold. We found a program from a 1914 horse show that had Mathew Diebold's most famous horse, Lady Broderick, being shown by his son James Diebold.<br /><br />Blanche's yearbook from Marshfield High School were there as well as her nursing yearbooks from when she attended nursing school at St. Joseph's in Marshfield. There was also a scrapbook album Blanche had assembled from her Junior, senior and post-hs years including a lot of interesting mementos, old crepe napkins and other things, and at the back a series of journal-style entries detailing trips and other high points in life after graduating from high school. Included in this was the chilling "Joe died" on a particular June day. Blanche was initially engaged to Joe Marsh when he signed up for service and had acute appendicitis strike him soon after arriving at camp. He underwent a number of botched surgeries and eventually died, and this is what caused Blanche to enter nursing school. So, this was altogether extremely poignant look into Blanche's early life. <br /><br />I found another box with an old metal chain link purse that must have been hers as well as some drawings Sylvester did in middle and high school - ca. 1915! They are pretty fantastic and all in good shape still. These were very exciting finds!!Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163363614255107594.post-55647810209875287532009-05-26T20:28:00.000-07:002009-05-26T21:00:39.498-07:00Long time no see?I'm sorry about the length of time that has elapsed since my last entry, because, of course, I have been doing genealogy even when not having the time to update this blog. <br /><br />I haven't found anything extremely big or anything but here are a few little tidbits from recent memory:<br /><br />Generally catching up on emails, I've been in contact with a lot of random lines all over the place. I found a man, Gerhard Wiederholt, who is connected to the Mayville family through the Nachtwey family (I was able to find that line back to the 17th century!) and ALSO to the Hartung family, which his wife belongs to. So it turns out we are cousins by marriage twice, by two completely different families. Isn't that funny how it turns out?<br /><br />I was also contacted by a random Mueller who lives in Germany--- between he and Gerhard my German has been quite tried!!--- who was gracious enough to trace back my Mueller line (Bingen ties) although he apparently doesn't have a connection to this line. <br /><br />Just last week I found out a little more about William Mayville, a stray son of Susan Reynolds and John Mayville. The last I could find of William was in 1910 living in Montana after the death of his wife Acsah Averill Mayville. A Huycke relative occasionally sends me records he comes across, however. Recently he sent me Silas Reynolds's pension files from when he served in the Revolutionary War, and before that he sent me William Mayville's pension files, because he had served in the Civil War.<br /><br />Well, the pension files were extremely interesting, and included affidavits from both Ephraim and Peter Mayville as well as other relatives and family friends. It also included William's full birthdate, which I had previously not been able to find. And at the very, very end of this huge document was a short little notation stating that William had died 13 Feb, 1919 in Tennessee! I couldn't understand how he possibly ended up in Tennessee. He had been born in Vermont, lived in Wisconsin for a number of years, moved on to Minnesota and then to Montana, before- apparently- deciding to live at the National Soldiers' Home in Johnson City, TN. I admit it's a pretty area but quite the opposite of anything I expected to find.<br /><br />With this new date I set to work looking for ways to locate his death record and also find where he was buried. Through findagrave.com I found he is buried out in Tennessee and I hope to find someone who would be willing to visit his grave and photograph it. My Aunt Anne Mayville lives in Nashville but the cemetery is actually closer to my dad's family who live in Fuquay-Varina outside of Raleigh, NC. I hope that someone will help me out at some point. <br /><br />I was able to find that Tennessee has started an online index for some of their later records and this included William's record. I found a volunteer on raogk.org who made a copy of this record for me, for a somewhat steep price of $10. I volunteer at the Historical Society for RAOGK, also, but usually only charge a couple dollars because I don't believe in paying exorbitant amounts for what should, really, be free and available to everyone. I would agree, however, that associated fees are not necessarily the fault of the researcher, buuuut... well. <br /><br />Anyway, I hope to receive that record soon and hopefully it has something to say, although I would expect it to contain scant information at best.<br /><br />I may be meeting towards the end of this week with Jack Bingen Copet, because I realized I haven't yet seen the graves of my Bingen ancestors out in Washington Co., WI. He's out of a job and has agreed to meet with me to show me around. We've been in contact probably 3-4 years now so it should be interesting to finally meet! <br /><br />That is all I can think of for now but I will be sure to update this considerably more frequently now that it is summer break!Jaderadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15832101208161744991noreply@blogger.com0